Worst call ever in a 'Bama game

Kevin4Bama · Jun 1, 2007

Alanbama27 said:
I will have to say that the Penn State may be the actual worst because the referee was the uncle of the Penn State player. That was blatant cheating.

I remember being a freshman in college that year and kicking the TV in my dorm room over that one.

I can't seem to find proof right now, or I would link it, but I remember reading a while back about that legend. If I remember right, Mike Guman's, of the famous goal line stand, uncle was an official on the crew that year (conflict of interest anyone?), but he was not the one that made the call in the endzone. Again, I don't remember where I read that.

Can you imagine if say, Barry Krauss' uncle, or another relative, were to ref a home game against Penn State, and a controversial call were to go in our favor?

Alanbama27 · Jun 1, 2007

Kevin4Bama said:
I remember being a freshman in college that year and kicking the TV in my dorm room over that one.

I can't seem to find proof right now, or I would link it, but I remember reading a while back about that legend. If I remember right, Mike Guman's, of the famous goal line stand, uncle was an official on the crew that year (conflict of interest anyone?), but he was not the one that made the call in the endzone. Again, I don't remember where I read that.

Can you imagine if say, Barry Krauss' uncle, or another relative, were to ref a home game against Penn State, and a controversial call were to go in our favor?

I might be wrong, but I thought it was a tight end for Penn State whose Uncle DID make the call. Again, I am not 100% positive but I am fairly sure that the ref who made the call was related to a Penn State player and I believe the kid was a tight end. Anybody have a better memory or more info to help us out?

LCN · Jun 1, 2007

I also recall the zeeb as being related to Guman .

Maybe there have been 2 instances ? :conf3:

LCN · Jun 1, 2007

Capstone46 said:
I'd put a smiley face here if I had taken the time to learn how .

Just click on any of them .:biggrin:

:eek2::conf2::mad2::BigA:

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FreeBro · Jun 2, 2007

I've always heard that it was Guman's father, but it might have been an uncle. The connection of course is that Guman was the RB we stonewalled in the Sugar Bowl. If this is true, it makes you wonder how many other games and calls over the years were bogus at Beaver Stadium. They were an independent school back then and used some unaffiliated officials (like Syracuse, WVa, BC, Pitt and others). This might explain why teams have always been shy about playing other good teams out of conference. I have no doubts in my mind that the Gothard call was NOT bad officiating, but homecooking (cheating). It was not that close and a teenage rec league official could have made that call.:BigA::BigA::BigA::BigA:

4Q Basket Case · Jun 2, 2007

FreeBro said:
How about the Cotton Bowl in the early 70s when the Texas QB scrambled for a TD and clearly stepped out of bounds in front of an official? I was about 9 or 10 and I cried over that one. It still brings crimson tears to my blue eyes. :BigA::BigA::BigA::BigA:

That one was definitely a bad call, but it didn't bother me all that much once I got over the emotion of the moment.

Roosevelt Leaks was pounding us that game. Seemed like every time I looked up, Leaks was shedding LBs and it was 2nd and 3 or less for the 'Horns. The 17-13 score was misleadingly close. They kicked our butts at our own power game. If Lowrey had been correctly called OB, it still would have been 1st and 10 on the wrong side of midfield, with all the momentum in Texas' favor. The way the game was going, they probably would have scored anyway.

'Course, that was after the Auburn game where they blocked two punts and an extra point to win 17-16. At the time, we were #1 and looking to play for the NC. When that was no longer possible, I think it took away our heart, and we just didn't care that much about what was then a meaningless Cotton Bowl.

Had we played with all the normal emotion of such a game, there's no doubt in my mind we could have beaten the 'Horns.

4Q Basket Case · Jun 2, 2007

Kevin4Bama said:
I remember being a freshman in college that year and kicking the TV in my dorm room over that one.

I can't seem to find proof right now, or I would link it, but I remember reading a while back about that legend. If I remember right, Mike Guman's, of the famous goal line stand, uncle was an official on the crew that year (conflict of interest anyone?), but he was not the one that made the call in the endzone. Again, I don't remember where I read that.

Can you imagine if say, Barry Krauss' uncle, or another relative, were to ref a home game against Penn State, and a controversial call were to go in our favor?

I don't have a link, either, but I think you're right.

As I remember it, Mike Guman was the PSU fullback who was stuffed twice in the Sugar Bowl after the 1978 season. Also as I remember it, his uncle was on the crew that blew the call on Preston Gothard's catch.

But I don't think the uncle actually made the OB call. Still, he shouldn't have even been on the field...that just looks bad.

BamaJama17 · Jun 2, 2007

The call about Jeremiah Castille that led to Bo over the top in 1982 and the 2004 LSU pass interference call that never happend.

FreeBro · Jun 2, 2007

Bama Lee said:
If I am not mistaken, that Donkey was Bruce Arians, who is now an Offensive Coordinator in the NFL (Steelers.... I think?). The bad part was when Dubose said to the Media immediately after the game "... Duh, I didn't know what play was called.... maybe I should have been paying attention."

What, NFL coaches cannot be donkeys? Shula was and is a NFL coach. It was a donkey call.:BigA::BigA::BigA::BigA:

CornBiscuit · Jun 2, 2007

Every Shula play inside the 20.

THE BAMA IRISHMAN · Jun 2, 2007

deliveryman35 said:
The 1983 Penn State game will live in infamy. Preston Gothard was in bounds by a mile. it would be my choice even over the '95 Auburn game in Jordan-Hare or the Orange Bowl in '65.......

I remember reading Sports Illustrated and Guman (the guilty REF) the father of Mike Guman who was stopped in the 1979 Goal Line Stand by Barry Krauss made the call. In the SI article it showed a cut section of endzone from the Alabama game applied to the sideline of the Nebraska/Penn St. game. In that game the PSU player was clearly out of bounds but Guman called him in. In the Alabama game Preston was clearly in and Guman called him out.

His comment to SI. I was afraid the crowd would riot if I reversed the call. He knew what he had done. A rule was later imposed due to Guman's intentional call.

One of the greatest come backs in history did not happen because of foul play by an official.

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ELTider · Jun 3, 2007

The worst call ever was when Mal Moore called Mike Shula to offer him the HC job at Alabama. :tongue:

RTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FreeBro · Jun 3, 2007

ELTider said:
The worst call ever was when Mal Moore called Mike Shula to offer him the HC job at Alabama. :tongue:

RTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:biggrin: LOL :wink:

:BigA:

Vinny · Jun 3, 2007

I would have to agree with the LSU no call in the endzone. I was at that game and could not believe that was not pass interference. Bad call.

CrimsonSnake · Jun 3, 2007

FreeBro said:
Oh, and what about the Ark WR that trapped the ball in the endzone when Ford was at Ark. Another case of us winning today with instant replay. I think that was the first time Ark beat us at our place.:BigA::BigA::BigA::BigA:

If you watch the replay of the trap br the Ark WR count the number of men on offense, I believe you'll find 12 Ark players. Also, watch the whole series, the trap play was a 5th down.

BamaJama17 · Jun 3, 2007

CornBiscuit said:
Every Shula play inside the 20.

I Can't believe I did not think of that. I would cry everytime we got inside the 20.

mswiggins · Jun 4, 2007

CrimsonSnake said:
If you watch the replay of the trap br the Ark WR count the number of men on offense, I believe you'll find 12 Ark players. Also, watch the whole series, the trap play was a 5th down.

Does anyone have a link for the video of this?

If I remember correctly, Ark faces a 4th and long around mid-field during that drive. The threw up a floater that was caught near the sideline for a 1st down.

bayoutider · Jun 4, 2007

Bama Lee said:
If I am not mistaken, that Donkey was Bruce Arians, who is now an Offensive Coordinator in the NFL (Steelers.... I think?). The bad part was when Dubose said to the Media immediately after the game "... Duh, I didn't know what play was called.... maybe I should have been paying attention."

That play to the fullback had worked several times in the game. I don't think that was such a bad call as it was a great read and reaction by the Auburn defense. Having said that I now feel the need to bathe in some kind of industrial cleaner.

Capstone46 · Jun 4, 2007

Is the need for the bathing with the industrial cleaner based fon the recollection of the play or the fact that Arians has the foulest mouth on the planet? He can't say good morning without a couple of F bombs.

If the play had worked, it would have been a first down and the game would have been over. It was a freak fumble with Ed being hit from the back as he turned for the ball behind him. One of the players on the kick block team for the auburn field goal told me after the game that the auburn players were talking to them before the snap about how we had given them the game. The auburn players were laughing about it at the line of scrimmage.

Probius · Jun 4, 2007

bayoutider said:
How many times has Arkansas been allowed 12 players on the field against us?

I remember that game, wasn't that '95. I was at that game and didn't hear about the non-penalty until I was walking away from the stadium. Plus the WR trapped the ball, I had a great view of the call and remember perfectly to this day. The Iron Bowl in '95 was terrible, anyone remember the picture of Brown with his foot in the end zone? But the absolute worst was the non pass interference call against LSU in '04.

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