11/30: Commentary: Thoughts on a minority coaching hire {by Brett Young}

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Thoughts on a minority coaching hire
by Brett Young
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November 30, 2006

Note: This commentary could have been a normal post. However, as I was writing out my thoughts on a minority coaching hire at Alabama, it became less a random thought and more a commentary on the coaching hire selection process. Thus, it is presented as such.


The way I see it, the time to hire a minority coach would have been with Coach Croom four years ago. It would have been a great hire for us (from a PR standpoint) when the program needed it most.

However, I am not sure that we would be in any different situation, wins-wise, than we were with Coach Shula. The one thing that WOULD have been different is that Croom would have immediately instilled much needed discipline into the program. His ability to recruit in Mobile, Birmingham, Atlanta, Memphis, Nashville, and Huntsville inner city schools would have been enhanced, as well.

All of that is moot now that we are in 2006 and again looking for a new head coach. The Black Coaches Association sent out a letter to all schools with openings demanding details of the "process" that the school uses to select a coach. They, unlike the Reverend Jesse Jackson (which brings up the point of at which church does he minister? but that's a commentary for the non-sports board), were apparently satisfied when we interviewed Croom last time, even when we went a different direction.

The outcome will be much different this time. The BCA is probably not going to be satisfied with our "process" this time. We are going after the best coaches with the most experience. Is that right? Is it OK? Or, is it, as some suggest, just how these things happen?

There seem to be no big name minority coaches out there who are on our radar. I have seen a few people mention that we should go after the likes of Lovie Smith, etc.

That is not going to happen.

Coach Moore's criteria was for a big name. A proven head coach. There are not very many (are there any?) minorities that fit that bill, but it is mostly because the non-big-time college football have not yet hired minorities, either. Traditionally, coaches worked hard at lower levels or as long-time assistants at larger schools, became coordinators for a period of years, and then were offered head coaching jobs.

With the occasional notable exceptions, even the greatest of coaches became head coaches at minor schools and worked their way up through the system by being successful wherever they went. Remember that Coach Bryant coached at Maryland and Kentucky. Steve Spurrier was at Duke. Terry Bowden was a success at Samford before becoming a failure at Auburn. Gene Stallings proved he could coach - even if the wins did not come at tough places like Texas A&M in the Vietnam era and at the NFL's worst managed franchise, Arizona Cardinals.

From the standpoint of earning stripes before commanding troops, hiring coaches should be no different today than it has been over the last century.

If Bama has excelled at anything over the last 10 years it is in proving that The Capstone is not a training ground for inexperienced head coaches (see DuBose & Shula). It is also not the place for inexperienced-in-the-big-time coaches (See Franchione & Price) who did not understand the never ceasing spotlight on them.

What Alabama needs is NOT a token hire. We need the BEST available coach we can get - Black, White, or Latino. We need someone with a LOT of experience as a head coach in dealing with alumni, fans, and expectations. Not even Coach Croom can check all those boxes at this stage of his tenure.

Finally, I don't see Alabama hiring a minority coach (unless Rodriquez qualifies) this time. But not for the reasons that were presumed in previous hires. No. This time we need a Grand Slam. A Slam Dunk. Someone whose hiring will be unquestioned by all parties.

And, unfortunately, we may get slam dunked by the BCA by going with a "best of the best" selection process.
 
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B, I thought about the thing several days ago, about how the BCA might react, and kept coming up with the question, "who?" Frankly, I don't even know if Lovie could be successful here.
 

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Good call on Green as far as successful at Stanford & Northwestern & Minnesota.

That's one.


here's a summary of his achievements from his website:

* Most trips to the playoffs 1992-2000: 8: Vikings, all under Dennis Green, with 7 different quarterbacks.

* 2nd most trips to the playoffs since 1992: 7: 49ers and Cowboys, with the same quarterback each time.

* The only coach to reach the playoffs in each of the five seasons of 1996-2000.

* The only team to qualify for the playoffs each of the four years, 1997- 2000.

* 1998 - 2000 best three seasons in a row stretch in team history.

* One of only three to coach team to win 15 games in a single season.

* Wins regardless of the playing surface, temperature, home or away. Coached winning records outside (33-24), in domes (59-28), on grass (23-20), on artificial turf (69-32) and in temperatures below 40 degrees (7-3.

* One of only eight men in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first three seasons ('92-94) as a head coach

* Highest winning percentage in Vikings 40 year history.

* Best record percentage in the National Football League of all active coaches.

* Best League record 1992-2000: 92 wins against 52 losses (.639).
 

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There is a brief history of CDG from his website www.dennisgreen.com.

It is his website, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. However, I like his 3 D's motto and I like the community service he incorporates into his program.

Edit: Now that I think about it, his name was brought up after the Price debacle, but I think we wanted an "Alabama Man" for the job after all the embarrassment. He could be a really good hire. I would assume he would run an offense that is similar to Shula's, not with the redzone woes, but utilizing the skills of the players we currently have on the roster and are currently recruiting (i.e. Robert Marve). It would also be a PR homerun!!
 
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bamacpa70

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Maybe we should start a Dennis Green Official thread. :biggrin2: He sure would be better that Mike Sherman!!! (IMHO, of course)
 

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As a Vikings fan I hope we dont hire Green. He cant win a big game and when it comes time to fire him he will scream racism.
 

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As a Vikings fan I hope we dont hire Green. He cant win a big game and when it comes time to fire him he will scream racism.
That would go over like a lead balloon. What is the average tenure of our coaches since 1983? 3 yrs, I think. As long as he was given 3 yrs, his argument wouldn't hold any water.

It's also good to know we're already thinking about what happens when we fire the yet-to-be announced next coach. At least we're planning ahead for a change. :rolleyes:
 

BamaSteve999

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I agree with TexasBammer

I don't care if our new coach is black, white, Latino, green, purple, or whatever as long as he is able to coach, show consistent improvement from the beginning of the year to the end, have discipline throughout the program, and keep us out of trouble with the NCAA. Note to national media: there was no mention of undefeated seasons and/or national championships every year anywhere in that list.

HOWEVER, we should also note that at no time in the past several years when we have fired a white coach has either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton (or anybody of that ilk) showed up for his cut of the action. The simple fact remains that, regardless of the reasons for it, legitimate or not, that has to be factored in with a minority hire. Can you imagine what would be going on right now if we had just fired a coach with the last name Croom instead of Shula? Query when folks are going to figure out that Jackson, Sharpton, et al., are, IMO, actually decreasing the opportunities for minorities; who wants to take the crapstorm that will inevitably arise upon a termination? But that is a discussion for another board.
 

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Re: I agree with TexasBammer

I don't care if our new coach is black, white, Latino, green, purple, or whatever as long as he is able to coach, show consistent improvement from the beginning of the year to the end, have discipline throughout the program, and keep us out of trouble with the NCAA. Note to national media: there was no mention of undefeated seasons and/or national championships every year anywhere in that list.

HOWEVER, we should also note that at no time in the past several years when we have fired a white coach has either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton (or anybody of that ilk) showed up for his cut of the action. The simple fact remains that, regardless of the reasons for it, legitimate or not, that has to be factored in with a minority hire. Can you imagine what would be going on right now if we had just fired a coach with the last name Croom instead of Shula? Query when folks are going to figure out that Jackson, Sharpton, et al., are, IMO, actually decreasing the opportunities for minorities; who wants to take the crapstorm that will inevitably arise upon a termination? But that is a discussion for another board.
Very true. I guarantee you that JJ and AS are
responsible for more blacks NOT getting hired than for ones that do get hired.

PS- I think Dennis Green has some sexual harrassment issues in his past anyway.
 

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I'm still confused by the fact that Alabama took so much heat from Jesse Jackson and others when Shula was hired over Croom. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me logically.

Alabama narrowed the search down to two candidates, one of which was a minority. That's as close as you can come to getting hired - when you are one of the finalists. I never saw any inkling of scrutiny towards Florida when they hired Meyer, USC w/ Spurrier, LSU w/ Les Miles and that's just a couple of the SEC teams that I can think of that had head coaching vacancies in the past several years. In fact, I don't think a black candidate was even named in the running for any of those particular vacancies. The only name I can think of is Charlie Strong, but I don't think he made the final two among any of those schools. So IMO, Alabama showed less bias than the other universities, but got blasted for it. :conf3: Heck, Bama didn't just consider a black head coach to try and look good; he made it to the final two! If for some reason Shula backed out at the last moment, or declined the offer, we would have Croom as our head coach and I don't think anyone with intelligence would have complained about his color if that had occurred.

I'm sure Bama we'll be blasted once again if we do not hire a minority, while NC State, Iowa State, NC, Miami and everyone else will make their hires with little or no fuss.
 
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Assume that we did offer Dennis Green. Would he actually come to Alabama or would the perception that he would face more scrutiny or be less accepted than a white coach cause him to turn us down?
 

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They, unlike the Reverend Jesse Jackson (which brings up the point of at which church does he minister? but that's a commentary for the non-sports board)

I will get on it Brett :p
 

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I know that Charlie Strong at Florida in the past has had some offers, ( not from Alabama, but from different schools).

I believe Nix at South Carolina will be a good one too, in the future.
 

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My only request regarding our new coach is that he be a male (unless it's Sarah Patterson) and that he be an earthling. Other than that I just want us to get the best coach available.

Right now black coaches are making gains the way gains have always been made. They are working their butts off and climbing up through the ranks. Many of the best young coordinators in the country are black. The inequities that exist will lessen as more and more of these guys get their shot. Hopefully in ten years this won't be a conversation worth having.
 

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As a minority and an alumnus of the University of Alabama I think this letter from the BCA is ridiculous. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are using this as a means to get themselves on TV. Who Alabama hires as its next coach is not a civil rights issue. The problem I have with JJ and AS, is they say Affirmative Action is okay when minorities benefit but they call it racism when non-minorities benefit.

Having said that, would I like to see a minority coach hired at the University of Alabama? My response to that question is, I want a coach that will return Alabama football back to the level we are accustomed to. Dennis Green is the only minority I would even consider to be the next HC.