"Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paintings

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Re: "Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paint

Smart judge, I love his work and I'm glad he won't have any trouble.:biga2:
 

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Re: "Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paint

It really ticks me off that the University would even take this position against Daniel Moore, if for any other reason than he is "grandfathered" in, I mean this guy has been painting Alabama football since before I was probably born! Good grief, I'd like to know what Alabama official(s) took this stance...
 

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The University charges people to tailgate now...they're going to try to squeeze money out of everything. I guess since our state so poorly supports it's flagship university, they kinda have to do this crap. Any way to make a buck!
 

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The University charges people to tailgate now...they're going to try to squeeze money out of everything. I guess since our state so poorly supports it's flagship university, they kinda have to do this crap. Any way to make a buck!
I would pay the most attention to NCAA infractions, imagine if this money machine stopped rolling in, it would be a disaster.

The death penalty really can be a death penalty to an entire State University infrastructure if it were to ever happen. It would probably bankrupt the entire college.
 

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The university has to try and protect it's trademarks, if you don't you are at risk of losing it.
 

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Re: "Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paint

This thing has been dragging on for quite a while. I read at the beginning of the lawsuit that there were a very select few people at the university behind the lawsuit. In other words, there were many people at the university that were not in favor of the lawsuit. Can someone elaborate on this?
 

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The university has to try and protect it's trademarks, if you don't you are at risk of losing it.
Is there right and wrong ways to go about it? I think that's how the discussion has evolved.

Also, with an edit :)

It's about cornering the market. Bama would love to have their own Daniel Moore on Staff, and they would also enjoy receiving royalties
from websites that are strictly about Alabama athletics. Would that do more harm than good? I think so, and a lot of people took offense to the Moore situation. You could keep taking things a step further in the name of protection I suppose.
 
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Don't you think that Daniel Moore is doing Alabama a service by exposing their fame through his paintings? Bama should be grateful that his paintings are of such quality that the paintings complement the greatness of the Crimson Tide.
 

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Re: "Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paint

Don't you think that Daniel Moore is doing Alabama a service by exposing their fame through his paintings? Bama should be grateful that his paintings are of such quality that the paintings complement the greatness of the Crimson Tide.
That's how a normal person would think, but most people are not paranoid and greedy over a public university.
 

bamabryan

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Re: "Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paint

Don't you think that Daniel Moore is doing Alabama a service by exposing their fame through his paintings? Bama should be grateful that his paintings are of such quality that the paintings complement the greatness of the Crimson Tide.
I've always thought Daniel Moore never did anything but promote Alabama football and portrayed it in a very, very positive way. However, there are those who say the university should get royalties from his work.

Trust me, I've seen this discussion here on Tide Fans a couple of times through the years and things got a little testy on both sides. I hope this thread does not turn that way.
 

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I agree with the points made in BamainBoston's first post. Lawyers and pride got involved with a situation that escalated to litigation.
If there were a greed issue, it was from Moore. He chose to quit honoring his working arrangment with the University's licensing program after he got famous and had a following. Don't kid yourself...University football is a hell of a lot bigger than Moore and Moore might be doing coloring books if he had not gotten his start through doing Crimson Tide football paintings. If you think his artwork doesn't portray Crimson Tide football, then explain to me why he markets his work to Crimson Tide fans? If he only wanted to portray a football team wearing Crimson and White, why did he agree and honor the licensing arrangment with the University to start with? I enjoy Moore's work and support his First Amendment rights. However, his First Amendment argument only became an issue after he wanted to quit honoring the small percentage he was paying the University for the right to do the paintings and use them on coffee cups, mousepads and calendars. In my opinion marketing those items wasn't about First Amendment rights or artwork but about Daniel Moore's greed to make more money. Moore should have honored and paid the University the small percentage through the licensing program set up through Bill Battle by Coach Bryant like everybody else has honored. This ruling will probably cost the University millions of dollars in future unrelated licensing agreements. I don't find that anything to celebrate.


Addressing a totally different subject....Reserved spaces on the Quad for tailgating aren't about making money but controlling the gameday experience. Burying the necessary electricity for tailgaters, liability insurance, and the cleanup cost the University a lot of money. Furthermore the University has a right to protect the millions of dollars invested in campus beauty and not let it be destroyed by a bunch of drunk visiting fans. Does anybody remember the Georgia game a few years ago when they left literally tons of trash on the Quad? (Georgia's fans dumped 75 tons on their own campus a couple of weeks ago requiring the university president to ask fans not to be so destructive while tailgating on campus. Things are completely out of control over there.) If you don't remember the last Georgia game here in Tuscaloosa, it was the last game the University (at their expense) set up large tv screens for fans to watch the game on the Quad. The idea had been to invite families who might not be able to afford season tickets to come to Tuscaloosa and enjoy the game day experience. There were actually plans to set up a total of 4 huge tv screens for fans. There certainly was no greed involved.
Can you imagine what would happen this weekend if 5,000 drunk LSU fans showed up Thursday morning to take over the Quad? All hell would break loose when the Alabama fans showed up Friday and Saturday to find the place overrun by LSU fans. If you come to the game this weekend take a look at some of the places the LSU will tailgate. They will try to take over everything on University Blvd. A couple of years ago I actually saw visiting fans drive on to the Quad and walk to the game. I know there are a lot of people who don't care for the Bruno's Event Team gameday management, but Tuscaloosa and the University aren't equipped to have 100,000 visitors show up on campus without some form of crowd/traffic managment. It isn't about greed. It is about providing a safe, enjoyable gameday experience and getting people in and out of town in a controlled manner.
 

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Re: "Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paint

Don't you think that Daniel Moore is doing Alabama a service by exposing their fame through his paintings? Bama should be grateful that his paintings are of such quality that the paintings complement the greatness of the Crimson Tide.
I have always thought so. I am a big fan of Moore's work and am glad to see that judge ruled the lawsuit in this way. While I guess I understand why the university did what they did, I did not like it and thought it was unnecessary. I look forward to Moore's subsequent work.
 

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Don't you think that Daniel Moore is doing Alabama a service by exposing their fame through his paintings? Bama should be grateful that his paintings are of such quality that the paintings complement the greatness of the Crimson Tide.
Yes of course. No one was even aware of The University of Alabama Crimson Tide before DM started painting pictures. You were of course buying and admiring all of DM's work before he started painting Alabama football pictures as well right? Doing The University a service? DM's career was made by Alabama football, not the other way around. I'm no fan of the lawsuit, I thought it could have been worked out another way, but don't pretend Alabama football is done any service by DM's paintings.
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Re: "Judge rules artist Daniel Moore needs no University of Alabama license for paint

Yes of course. No one was even aware of The University of Alabama Crimson Tide before DM started painting pictures. You were of course buying and admiring all of DM's work before he started painting Alabama football pictures as well right? Doing The University a service? DM's career was made by Alabama football, not the other way around. I'm no fan of the lawsuit, I thought it could have been worked out another way, but don't pretend Alabama football is done any service by DM's paintings.
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What?? You are kidding, right?? He is just a guy making millions off of the University. Now, this will open up the flood gates of more people stealing the University's good name for their own profits. I hope this gets appealed and the University gets their rights back.
 

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I kind of felt like the University had to give it a shot. I mean Moore is making a ton of money off of them (us) and they didn't have anything to lose but a lot to gain considering how long he has been painting and they would have backtracked all of that.
 
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