Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team

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Duh... You're absolutely right. There's nothing that says explicitly that BC was in the car. Still doesn't fly that his teammates would not have clued him in.
The story has some wrinkles to it that we don't know yet, and some we might never know.

One is whether or not Eddie was already kicked off the team, suspended or the like. Did Alabama know about the prior incident? Figuring out if there was a "trigger" or if his later actions were as someone already kicked off the team is relevant in trying to figure out what happened. Furthermore, was he the ringleader? Did he lead the others on? This doesn't excuse anyone's actions, but if you want to speculate, you have to consider what his motivations might have been.

Assuming up until then, Calloway was not aware of their crimes, I could imagine a rather mundane appearing scenario. For instance, hey I found this card on the ground, lets get some snacks, or that sort of thing. Once again, not trying to defend anyone, but if we are going to use conjecture, there are a lot of scenarios in which Calloway might have had no idea what the other three had been up to.

I tend to think he should still be kicked off the team. He seems prone to bad choices (and yes, I count his odd commitment to Auburn was one of them), and if you couple that with his use of marijuana (I have nothing against it personally, but he knows the rules), and this incident and it's hard to think of him as having good judgement.

When it's all said and done, I assume we'll see Eddie Williams as being central to all of this, and everyone else guilty to varying degrees of going along with his lunatic actions. Also, in the big picture it's probably a good thing to have these people off the team and campus. Hopefully they can get their lives together, but they all clearly have issues that can do further harm to themselves and others.
 

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Earle, the "I was asleep in the car" defense seems pretty lame. Hard to imagine that BC didn't know the plan, that he was cut out of every conversation concerning pummeling fellow students, much less his use of the card.
I believe, based on my experience, if he had been asleep in the car he would have been charged with the Robberies as an accessory--primarily because he did nothing to stop it.

I think his stupid twitter comment means he was asleep in his dorm room.
 

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Duh... You're absolutely right. There's nothing that says explicitly that BC was in the car. Still doesn't fly that his teammates would not have clued him in.
Calloway didn't to be 'in on' any plans to know the card he used wasn't his.
 
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My senior year in high school, I was driving my car with three of my team mates, they we throwing eggs out of the car while I was driving, we all thought it was funny until one of the guys hit the head coaches son with an egg. It was gameday as well, I parked the car, we all walked up to get dressed for the game when waiting for us was the head coach. To this day, I have not forgotten his facial expression. He was calm, called us into his office and told us we were benched for the game. To make matters worse, it was my last home game, I have still not forgotten about that one. I know this i a lot different than what happened here, but we were also disiplined, but able to play one more game. These four are just kids that got involved with bad elements. I don't know who said it a bunch of posts ago about anyone ever making fun of other programs that have has this done to them, but it's the truth when it hits home.
 

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Although they have not been proven guilty in a court of law, it is pretty apparent most of the accusations are true. Confession + KO'ed student with missing belongings is pretty conclusive.

I don't consider any of these players part of the Alabama family anymore and hope they get the most jail time possible under the law just as I would for any other thug in this country that commits crimes of this nature against fellow people. If anyone tries to make excuses for them and hopes they deserve less because of their involvement with Alabama football is pathetic. These kids deserve what is coming...and are no different than any other criminal featured in your local newspaper.
 

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I'll admit I haven't read all 34 pages of this thread. My first reaction was shock and anger. Shocked that anyone could do such. Beating a fellow student for snack money. what?!?! Anger at these guys tarnishing the name of the University of Alabama, a place I dearly love.

My second reaction was hurt. I hurt for the other players that before Sunday night would have called these guys friends and brothers. Guys that good guys trusted. They had to, that's what a team is all about. In my travels with the team I get a small glimpse into these guys having each others' backs. Imagine now how torn they feel, almost like these guys were traitors all along.

I had many interactions and conversations with these guys, but I won't claim to "know" them as I only flew one season with them and they were all younger. I do know Eddie Williams had a smile that could light up the whole airplane. I always felt bad that he didn't crack the rotation. One of the first conversations I had with him was about his time in high school and his recruitment.

Just breaks my heart that these very guys that appeared to be nothing more than kids playing football hurt SO many people. This is just tough!
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. When I had interactions with Eddie a few years ago (2010-2011 season, his senior year of HS) I never would have imagined anything like this happening. This is a kid who slept on my grandmother's couch for crying out loud. I do know that at that point, he LOVED Alabama, LOVED Coach Saban, could not wait to get to Tuscaloosa and get to work. How in the world it came to this I don't know. Just sad...
 

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Although they have not been proven guilty in a court of law, it is pretty apparent most of the accusations are true. Confession + KO'ed student with missing belongings is pretty conclusive.

I don't consider any of these players part of the Alabama family anymore and hope they get the most jail time possible under the law just as I would for any other thug in this country that commits crimes of this nature against fellow people. If anyone tries to make excuses for them and hopes they deserve less because of their involvement with Alabama football is pathetic. These kids deserve what is coming...and are no different than any other criminal featured in your local newspaper.
Hear here. Couldn't agree more. This is a lot more than just "kids do what kids do." Goes far beyond smoking pot or having a party at the wrong time.
 

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So we should follow what Auburn does? I'd rather Coach get all the facts and talk with the kids about how they can help themselves moving on outside of Alabama (whether that is after jail time or not). Plus the country has pretty much said we cheat in every way possible and will jump on us at the first chance they get. Forget what the country says. Due process is the right way to handle this situation.
There is a time for Dismissal, and the easiest path is to wait for the arrest warrants to be served.
The University will have to treat these guys like any other student who is arrested.
These guys aren't going anywhere. (They can't)
Since we are talking felony arrest, we need to add Grand Jury to the conversation.
This case will likely not see court for months.
Meanwhile, we follow the path that Coach Saban has used before.
Coach Saban may not have run up in their face and screamed at them to clean out
their locker, but his 'Indefinite Suspensions' have the same effect.
Maybe we need to educate the press.

*I had to change from laptop to the ancient computer. Got tangled up in 'One Note'
and editing wasn't coming thru. I haven't used it enough yet...
 
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I'll admit I haven't read all 34 pages of this thread. My first reaction was shock and anger. Shocked that anyone could do such. Beating a fellow student for snack money. what?!?! Anger at these guys tarnishing the name of the University of Alabama, a place I dearly love.

My second reaction was hurt. I hurt for the other players that before Sunday night would have called these guys friends and brothers. Guys that good guys trusted. They had to, that's what a team is all about. In my travels with the team I get a small glimpse into these guys having each others' backs. Imagine now how torn they feel, almost like these guys were traitors all along.

I had many interactions and conversations with these guys, but I won't claim to "know" them as I only flew one season with them and they were all younger. I do know Eddie Williams had a smile that could light up the whole airplane. I always felt bad that he didn't crack the rotation. One of the first conversations I had with him was about his time in high school and his recruitment.

Just breaks my heart that these very guys that appeared to be nothing more than kids playing football hurt SO many people. This is just tough!
I've said it a couple of times above, but this was an assault first and robbery only as an afterthought. I still believe that Williams knew he was gone because of the gun offense and decided to go out with a bang. I think the others let themselves be sucked in, but willingly...
 

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I've said it a couple of times above, but this was an assault first and robbery only as an afterthought. I still believe that Williams knew he was gone because of the gun offense and decided to go out with a bang. I think the others let themselves be sucked in, but willingly...
Agreed. This had nothing to do with money or a macbook. Those were just icing on the cake for these fools. I hope they get what they deserve.
 

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I still believe that Williams knew he was gone because of the gun offense and decided to go out with a bang. I think the others let themselves be sucked in, but willingly...
If true, that says a lot about EW's character. But I'll reserve that opinion until all the facts come to light for all the players. Even if they went with EW and thought it was a joy ride, they stayed with him after the first victim. Staying after knocking one person out cold goes beyond the realm of peer pressure imho.
 

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Agreed. Though it may sound strange and don't ask me how I know this, knocking somebody out fairly quickly is a learned skill and not all that hard once you've done it a few times, assuming the target is not in a defensive posture. I would guess that somebody who would go out to perpretate strong arm robberies in what I take as an almost casual manner, at least at the outset, has a great deal of confidence in their striking ability.

I am guessing Williams has not had formal training in this, which means he's had quite a bit of practice. I would be interested to see what turned up in a review of reported but unsolved strong arm robberies in locales where Williams has been known to reside.

You are kidding right?
 

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There is a time for Dismissal, and the easiest path is to wait for the arrest warrants to be served.
The University will have to treat these guys like any other student who is arrested.
These guys aren't going anywhere. (They can't)
Since we are talking felony arrest, we need to add Grand Jury to the conversation.
This case will likely not see court for months.
Meanwhile, we follow the path that Coach Saban has used before.
Coach Saban may not have run up in their face and screamed at them to clean out
their locker, but his 'Indefinite Suspensions' have the same effect.
Maybe we need to educate the press.

*I had to change from laptop to the ancient computer. Got tangled up in 'One Note'
and editing wasn't coming thru. I haven't used it enough yet...
First my disclaimer that criminal law is not my field and maybe Belle or one of the others will correct me if necessary, but the arrest warrants were served when they were taken in and booked. Also, I don't think the Grand Jury will be involved to determine probable cause. The reason, except for Calloway, is the confessions. I would think that the most likely route will be preliminary hearing before a district judge. Even that might be waived, in view of the confessions, once again with the exception of Calloway. I'd expect this to be strictly played out in quiet plea bargaining...
 

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Calloway didn't to be 'in on' any plans to know the card he used wasn't his.
Come on, audio. Look at this picture of an ACT card on UA's website. It's very difficult to distinguish one card from another. :wink:

 

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The CW has, from what I've gathered, the first statements/accounts from the victims:

http://cw.ua.edu/2013/02/13/football-players-victim-speaks-out-after-arrests/
Disturbing that we had trash like those idiots on campus, much less on the team. I look forward to the press release announcing their dismissal as well as the one announcing their sentences (may they be long and difficult).
 

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Originally Posted by Tider@GW_Law Agreed. Though it may sound strange and don't ask me how I know this, knocking somebody out fairly quickly is a learned skill and not all that hard once you've done it a few times, assuming the target is not in a defensive posture. I would guess that somebody who would go out to perpretate strong arm robberies in what I take as an almost casual manner, at least at the outset, has a great deal of confidence in their striking ability.

I am guessing Williams has not had formal training in this, which means he's had quite a bit of practice. I would be interested to see what turned up in a review of reported but unsolved strong arm robberies in locales where Williams has been known to reside.


The evidence seems to be to the contrary, that he was a good kid with a good record. Also, these were not clean knockouts. In both cases, he beat the victims to within an inch of their lives. (Sorry for the italics. vB won't let me remove them...)
 

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Purge all violent criminals. I realize there's a process to follow but I hope that's the result. I'd much rather lose with class than win with this filth.
 
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