Explosions rock the finish line at the Boston Marathon

[Tider@GW_Law]

The reports are in conflict to this point. There may have been intentional shrapnel or it may just be incidental from the containers the bombs were deposited in, but there was shrapnel. I still can't imagine a semi-pro terrorist using black powder, so I'm equally interested in that. I understand they are questioning a Saudi on a student visa who was seen running from the scene...

Unless, the perpetrator had access to what he/she believed was an untraceable quantity of black powder, e.g., a design of opportunity. Something as simple as not having sufficient access to a vehicle (and no sufficient ID to rent one) could impact their access to materials.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Unless, the perpetrator had access to what he/she believed was an untraceable quantity of black powder, e.g., a design of opportunity. Something as simple as not having sufficient access to a vehicle (and no sufficient ID to rent one) could impact their access to materials.

Without access to transport, it's hard to see how he could come up with the components. He could buy BP in bulk in gun shops, but that will leave a trail which will show up. When I blew up my parents kitchen with my "safe" chemistry set at the age of 12, I could go to the local pharmacy and buy the chemicals I needed. Nowadays, they just count pills. Needless to say, the chemistry set got confiscated. That was the early 50s and I didn't even have the benefit of the internet...

 

[runatl]

I can't coherently describe how I'm feeling.

Although I don't think this necessarily hit me harder than it hit people who are not in the running community, this definitely hit me harder than anything since 9/11.

Aurora and Newtown were terrible, but this hurts in a way more than that to me personally - because I run.

 

[runatl]

Isn't it their goal to die when they do this so they can get their virgins? Yep, don't want him to suffer though since he made it out alive.

Not trying to start a fight, but it really, really annoys me how you assume right away that it was the Middle East who did this.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Not trying to start a fight, but it really, really annoys me how you assume right away that it was the Middle East who did this.

Assumptions usually are based in fact.....or historical experience. If your brain didn't consider that there is likely Middle Eastern involvement, then you are likely in a state of denial.

It may not be a Muslim involvement, but the chances are quite good that the bomber was

 

[JPT4Bama]

Not trying to start a fight, but it really, really annoys me how you assume right away that it was the Middle East who did this.

Me either but...just going with the odds here you know? Probably got some religion of peace jam be happening, dog.

And this hurts more because you run? really? OK. Hurts me cuz I'm a human but different strokes, you know? :smile:

 

[G-VilleTider]

Not trying to start a fight, but it really, really annoys me how you assume right away that it was the Middle East who did this.

It really, really annoys me when someone chastises another for assuming that the evil that is responsible for 99.9% of this crap are the ones who also did this ...

 

[2003TIDE]

It may not be a Muslim involvement, but the chances are quite good that the bomber was

Especially when you selectively choose your sample size. Cause that's exactly what happened in Oklahoma City right?

 

[CajunCrimson]

Especially when you selectively choose your sample size. Cause that's exactly what happened in Oklahoma City right?

I tell you what, smart guy, let's take the biggest sample size possible..........what do you think the results will be?

Also -- the OKC bombing was against a Government Target -- yes, there were many non-government fatalities and injuries -- but it was an attack against the Government. This has NO signs of being an anti-Government attack. It also lacks any "homegrown" religious or racial intent .....so if it was domestic -- what was their purpose? who was the target?

Usually if you look at the big picture, you are generally going to see the answer.....

Again, may be wrong -- but if I had $50 bucks to bet, I'd be $49.90 it's Islamic Terrorism

 

[CajunCrimson]

The Right's First Impression is that it's Islamic Terrorism
The Left's First Impression is that it's "The Right"

That says a lot about our country, don't you think?

 

[Bamaro]

I'll bet you $100 it's not another OK City. How about it? :smile:

Its a flip of a coin. You may be right that its international but April 15th, tax day, is a little suspicious.

 

[92tide]

I can't coherently describe how I'm feeling.

Although I don't think this necessarily hit me harder than it hit people who are not in the running community, this definitely hit me harder than anything since 9/11.

Aurora and Newtown were terrible, but this hurts in a way more than that to me personally - because I run.

same here

 

[92tide]

Me either but...just going with the odds here you know? Probably got some religion of peace jam be happening, dog.

And this hurts more because you run? really? OK. Hurts me cuz I'm a human but different strokes, you know? :smile:

i think the point is, boston marathon is an icon in the running community, and also, it hitting at the finish line of a marathon ( a very vulnerable place) brings up a lot of empathy

 

[92tide]

The Right's First Impression is that it's Islamic Terrorism
The Left's First Impression is that it's "The Right"

That says a lot about our country, don't you think?

my first impression is that it was a douchebag.

 

[Bamaro]

I can't coherently describe how I'm feeling.

Although I don't think this necessarily hit me harder than it hit people who are not in the running community, this definitely hit me harder than anything since 9/11.

Aurora and Newtown were terrible, but this hurts in a way more than that to me personally - because I run.

Nothing compares with Newtown and specifically targeting children.
This was horrible but its now called Monday in Iraq.

 

[bamacon]

my first impression is that it was a douchebag.

Agreed

 

[2003TIDE]

I tell you what, smart guy, let's take the biggest sample size possible..........what do you think the results will be?

Okay lets list out bombers that detonated devices on US soil....
Ted Kaczynski
Timothy McVeigh
Terry Nichols
Thomas G. Doty
Andrew Kehoe
Julian A. Frank
Paul Harold Orgeron
Jane Alpert
I can keep going......
No matter how many Muslims you list I can list more that aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

I'm not saying it wasn't a Muslim. I'm saying your logic is flawed.

 

[TexasTideFan]

Not trying to start a fight, but it really, really annoys me how you assume right away that it was the Middle East who did this.

News reports said they had a Saudi national yesterday as a person of interest so I didn't assume anything.

 

[bamachile]

Looks like they have a few leads, anyhow.

Boston Marathon bombing: Feds raid apartment, police seek rental van

Also, it looks as if this forum isn't the only place people are trying to figure out the bomber's pattern.

The fact that the target was an event of great significance to Boston but not particularly significant to the wider world could indicate that the bomber was a local or at least a native of the United States. The explosions occurred on April 15, tax day, which could be a further indication of a domestic connection.

But the bombs were not directed against a government building or institution, which is often a hallmark of disaffected, lone-wolf domestic terrorists, noted some terrorism analysts. And the style of the attack, in which one explosion was closely followed by another, mimics that used by numerous groups in the Middle East.

One government official told the Los Angeles Times that his guess would be “self-radicalized Islamic extremists from the area.”

 

[Airborne Tider]

Okay lets list out bombers that detonated devices on US soil....
Ted Kaczynski
Timothy McVeigh
Terry Nichols
Thomas G. Doty
Andrew Kehoe
Julian A. Frank
Paul Harold Orgeron
Jane Alpert
I can keep going......
No matter how many Muslims you list I can list more that aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

I'm not saying it wasn't a Muslim. I'm saying your logic is flawed.

Let's make a list of all Americans killed by terrorism and next to them annotate whether the were Islamic extremists or "domestic terrorists.". I have a pretty good idea how that list would go.

I am also not saying it is one or the other but the fact of the matter is we as a society should accept the people who want to kill us are Islamic extremists. They want to destroy our very way of life. But political correctness keeps us from just calling it what it is. Believe me when I say this, yesterday pales in comparison to what they would do to you and your entire family if given the opportunity. I've seen it, firsthand.


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