Five SEC Players Alleged To Have Taken Impermissible Benefits

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TideMom2Boys

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Buck up lads. We're gonna knock the smarminess out of Johnny Hangover Saturday then make sure the Barners know we think we're above the law after nothing comes of this nonsense.

It's gonna be a hoot.

Yeah, I think this is even more motivation for our players to prove something. I think Johnny will be a good target for them to let out their frustrations on.
 

bamacon

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I'll save ya the call to Lightfoot and company.

Step 1) tell the NCAA to go to hell

Step 2) don't cooperate

Step 3) deny any knowledge of wrongdoing

Step 4) rinse and repeat if necessary

Folks, we actually cooperated and did everything asked of us when the NCAA KILLED us. Every institution since then has pretty much said, "No way are we going to jump through their hoops only to get hung."

I believe that as institutions go ours is about as honest as you can make it. Some of these rules are so CRAZY they defy logic, but that is the NCAA. Cam and Johnny and Miami have all proven that the days of running from the NCAA are over. Now it's turn and fight!
 

rgw

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Clearly, the AD knowledge was that they were aware of it after the fact (the end of his eligibility) and they were investigating it with the NCAA. I don't think his admission of knowledge was to say they hid it from the NCAA which would likely earn some sanctions.
 

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So...basically we are no longer playing for a 3-peat...we are trying to win #14 all over again now. And if they do in fact take those championships I think CNS will be ticked off enough to retire. I know I'm livid right now...and severely depressed.
Calm down. The new NCAA has a precedent for not vacating games. Now, it's a bit of an issue that Fluker isn't still in school, so he can't be punished, but look how they handled an ineligible Ole Miss player:
http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199076&highlight=ineligible

Truth is, Alabama should lawyer up all the way and force the NCAA to find proof. But, even if the NCAA has proof, they'd have a hard time explaining why ineligible players only occasionally result in vacated wins.

Alabama is in a very powerful PR situation. A&M looked silly defending Johnny, but Fluker? Alabama, if they play this right would really be able to make the NCAA look bad for going after Alabama on this. I mean, all Alabama has to do is send someone out there saying how great Fluker is, what a special kid he is, all the things he's gone through and why they don't believe he'd ever knowingly break the rules. Play the PR angle, and Fluker would be what some wish Johnny was (the sympathetic figure that changes things for the NCAA).
 
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Huckleberry

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Seriously huckleberry?
To what do you refer? Yeah, I think cheating is a big deal. I do my best to teach the value of honesty and hard work to my students. I use players at Alabama (as well as many other successful individuals) as examples of those who uphold those standards and reap the well-earned rewards. Is it wrong to feel strongly about such things? Do you suggest I look elsewhere than our campus for those people?

Trust is the most important thing a person can have. Those who toy with it, be they sportswriters, football players, politicians, or children rushing toward adulthood deserve the scorn and distrust that society should reserve for liars. Maybe they'll learn from their actions and become or grow up to be better people because of the consequences they face. If the sportswriters and others have made up or greatly exaggerated the allegations, will you shrug it off as no big deal? I've seen what often happens to children who grow up with that attitude. I care about them much more than I do about football -- and I love the Crimson Tide. I watched Coach Bryant's teams. He made a real and positive difference in people's lives, most of whom never met him. Many of his players and assistant coaches have carried on his legacy with honor. Why should I expect less from Coach Saban's players? My classroom is loaded with Crimson Tide items, much of it given to me by Florida fans I had as students. They think honesty is important. Seriously.
 

TideMom2Boys

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What has me upset is that the AD knowing or not knowing about any if this only affects us being hammered or not hammered ala the early 00's sanctions. But no matter what if Fluker took benefits then he was ineligible and the 2011 and 2012 titles are gone. It's the USC situation. The AD is probably clean but our back to back championships are vacated. So...basically we are no longer playing for a 3-peat...we are trying to win #14 all over again now. And if they do in fact take those championships I think CNS will be ticked off enough to retire. I know I'm livid right now...and severely depressed.

USC was different....the school was involved and other athletics. They were even allowed to keep their AP title.
 

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What has me upset is that the AD knowing or not knowing about any if this only affects us being hammered or not hammered ala the early 00's sanctions. But no matter what if Fluker took benefits then he was ineligible and the 2011 and 2012 titles are gone. It's the USC situation. The AD is probably clean but our back to back championships are vacated. So...basically we are no longer playing for a 3-peat...we are trying to win #14 all over again now. And if they do in fact take those championships I think CNS will be ticked off enough to retire. I know I'm livid right now...and severely depressed.
Its not the USC situation. That case involved USC failing to comply and covering up. NCAA sited an atmosphere of noncompliance, with USC. Not the case here. Same with Ohio state.

even still USC was not stripped of its AP title in 2004 just the bcs title. And USC still claims that title for that reason, and rightfully so.
 
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Huckleberry

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A kid who was sleeping a car two years before he started at UA let an agent's runner - who he knew once as a teammate - buy him a piece of crap bed from Sticks and Stuff.

I've seen worse happen at Gallette's on a Tuesday night.
Even if that were relevant, why would it matter?
 

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Well what I see is evidence the invoice, etc. This just makes me MAD our star players accept benefits. How stupid can you be? This means we will more & likely forfeit 2012 games, sec & championship over greedy players that can not wait for NFL. So he we go again more Sanctions & ban bowls 2yrs or more...ugh! :mad:
 

TideMom2Boys

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Can we have an Auto Reply to anyone who says we will vacate our Championships?
 
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Snuffy Smith

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Well what I see is evidence the invoice, etc. This just makes me MAD our star players accept benefits. How stupid can you be? This means we will more & likely forfeit 2012 games, sec & championship over greedy players that can not wait for NFL. So he we go again more Sanctions & ban bowls 2yrs or more...ugh! :mad:
Doesn't mean that at all. All it means that we possibly had a player with his hand out at worst or took money from questionable sources at best. As long as we had no AD personnel involved or aware then there is really nothing to see here.
 

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What has me upset is that the AD knowing or not knowing about any if this only affects us being hammered or not hammered ala the early 00's sanctions. But no matter what if Fluker took benefits then he was ineligible and the 2011 and 2012 titles are gone. It's the USC situation. The AD is probably clean but our back to back championships are vacated. So...basically we are no longer playing for a 3-peat...we are trying to win #14 all over again now. And if they do in fact take those championships I think CNS will be ticked off enough to retire. I know I'm livid right now...and severely depressed.
Seriously? Get a grip man based on what we know right now there aint no way they are going strip NCs and wins on this. Chill out... What you need to realize is that USC got stripped because the staff had knowledge of the benefits that Bush was receiving, did nothing about it, and once investigated didnt cooperate. Until an element of knowledge can be linked to our AD there isnt likely an issue here.

On this note, I just cant believe the collective mentality of some segments of our fanbase. We assume we are guilty. However, you go on the board of any other program dealing with a similar issue and you would see an absolute solidarity in support of the institution even in the face of absolute blatant evidence. I know we have had more than our fair share of unfair treatment in the past by the NCAA but we arent dealing with the same institution today as then and bottom line we got some really poor advice in how to deal with them in the past. Even though more recent the textbook case was still in an era where the NCAA was viewed as impenetrable. Nonetheless, its seems when something like this comes out we want to immediately start throwing bodies on the woodpile.

Seriously, we have had 2 major issues (not counting the textbooks) in the history of our program. We are unequivocally the most dominant program in the history of the game. Yet when some matter involves NCAA scrutiny we start collectively peeing down our leg despite the fact that we are one of the few programs that actually tries to comply with the spirit of the rules.
 
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braggtd

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Can anyone answer? If our administration had no knowledge of the situation, what is the worse that can happen? If they did have knowledge, are we looking at a USC type of punishment?
 
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SavannahDare

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Can we have an Auto Reply to anyone who says we will vacate our Champsionships?
No. This is what I like to call a "Rope Thread." This is the type of topic that gets the Chicken Littles' Catastrophic Thinking Instinct to kick into high gear. They keep at it until they eventually hang themselves into a time out. Hence... Rope Thread.
 

RJ YellowHammer

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Five SEC Players Took Impermissible Benefits

To what do you refer? Yeah, I think cheating is a big deal. I do my best to teach the value of honesty and hard work to my students. I use players at Alabama (as well as many other successful individuals) as examples of those who uphold those standards and reap the well-earned rewards. Is it wrong to feel strongly about such things? Do you suggest I look elsewhere than our campus for those people?

Trust is the most important thing a person can have. Those who toy with it, be they sportswriters, football players, politicians, or children rushing toward adulthood deserve the scorn and distrust that society should reserve for liars. Maybe they'll learn from their actions and become or grow up to be better people because of the consequences they face. If the sportswriters and others have made up or greatly exaggerated the allegations, will you shrug it off as no big deal? I've seen what often happens to children who grow up with that attitude. I care about them much more than I do about football -- and I love the Crimson Tide. I watched Coach Bryant's teams. He made a real and positive difference in people's lives, most of whom never met him. Many of his players and assistant coaches have carried on his legacy with honor. Why should I expect less from Coach Saban's players? My classroom is loaded with Crimson Tide items, much of it given to me by Florida fans I had as students. They think honesty is important. Seriously.
So you mean that actions by a couple of individuals means you can no longer use anybody associated with the UA football program as an example of honesty and hard work?

These are 23 year old men from less than well off families and they're surrounded by a river of money. DJ Fluker and Luther Davis did a disservice to Alabama and themselves, but you could hold off on damnation, hell fire, and brimstone. Why don't you try leveling with your students and explaining to them that good people make mistakes and poor choices.
 
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