How the Case Against the ACA Subsidies Stacks Up

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But this thing was advertised to those who chose to keep their private policies that premiums would still be affordable and would keep the same coverage. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Which anyone with walking around sense knew that was a big ole bag of b.s.

Everyone I've known who's private policy has been effected by this the result has been a dramatic increase in premium and deductible. So far it's not playing out as advertised. Which I'm not that surprised.
FWIW, mine has stayed the same and they tell me there will be no effect at least through 2014.
 
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FWIW, mine has stayed the same and they tell me their will be no effect at least through 2014.
Well, it official. I am doing my "fair share". I was notified at work that I need to register for my 2014 medical benefits. After receiving a notice that the insurance was changing due to the Affordable Care Act, aka ObamaCare, I will have the opportunity to see how it affects me and my family. Fact: May 2013 cost of coverage: $3,496.92/yr....Starting in Jan. 2014: $5,351.05

This is a 53% increase in cost. The ironic aspect of this issue: That my coverage diminished. So, the deductible has went up. Not to mention the out of pocket expense.

This is from one of my best friends from HS who posted this on FB a few weeks ago. He's an engineer down in the Houston, TX area and works for a global company. Again, I don't deny or confirm any of this information just passing it along.
 

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What so many fail to realize (or admit) is the bill is fulfilling the intent with which it was written. It was never intended to improve or provide healthcare for anyone. It is a power grab by government of two of the largest industries in America, healthcare and healthcare insurance. It is also written to allow government intrusion in every facet of our lives and finances. It will bankrupt insurance companies and cause the quality of care to dwindle. Rationing will be mandatory and many services denied. It is not financially sustainable. Think it was shameful when the IRS denied tax exempt status to those who opposed Democrats politically? Just wait until they learn your political affiliations and which party you have been registered to vote with. You must be wondering why I would post these statements if I believed that? Well, I have been campaigning against the growing tyranny for years. If you haven't don't feel smug. The writer of the bill says he believes one should justify his worth to society to justify his cost to the system. The people who are pushing this legislation on the American people are not just political opponents, they are evil, pure and simple.
 
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This is from one of my best friends from HS who posted this on FB a few weeks ago. He's an engineer down in the Houston, TX area and works for a global company. Again, I don't deny or confirm any of this information just passing it along.
Valerie Jarrett, a senior Obama adviser, tweeted earlier this week:

“FACT: Nothing in (hashtag)Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”
However, what most people covered under employer-sponsored plans may not realize is that the ACA's Cadillac Tax, which I have posted about previously, is forcing changes to many employer-sponsored plans. To avoid the 40% excise tax, employers are having to raise deductibles, increase premiums, and/or reduce benefits. This is likely what is impacting your friend's health insurance plan and, of course, is yet another lie by Obama and his administration.
 

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Also, the changes required of insurance policies that are grandfathered in by the ACA (Obamacare debacle) make the cancellation necessary. Eventually everyone will be forced to change by the cost prohibitive regulations or the bankruptcy of insurance not run by government. Single payer was the goal all along.
 

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Also, the changes required of insurance policies that are grandfathered in by the ACA (Obamacare debacle) make the cancellation necessary. Eventually everyone will be forced to change by the cost prohibitive regulations or the bankruptcy of insurance not run by government. Single payer was the goal all along.
What are grandfathered plans not exempt from?
 

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Valerie Jarrett, a senior Obama adviser, tweeted earlier this week:

Jarrett said:
“FACT: Nothing in (hashtag)Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”
However, what most people covered under employer-sponsored plans may not realize is that the ACA's Cadillac Tax, which I have posted about previously, is forcing changes to many employer-sponsored plans. To avoid the 40% excise tax, employers are having to raise deductibles, increase premiums, and/or reduce benefits. This is likely what is impacting your friend's health insurance plan and, of course, is yet another lie by Obama and his administration.
Obama Admin Knew Millions Could Not Keep Their Health Insurance
NBC said:
The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered. Obama Admin said “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”
Oops.
 

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I've wondered about that. The size of some of these bills would make Tolstoy jealous.
Also, I wonder who proof reads them afterwards.
The final passes, so to speak, are done by lawyers, but much of the legislative language we end up with was initially drafted by non-lawyers within the walls of private special interest groups.
 

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The final passes, so to speak, are done by lawyers, but much of the legislative language we end up with was initially drafted by non-lawyers within the walls of private special interest groups.
So that begs the question: Is there really any legislative intent involved in the passage of laws anymore? If legislation is largely crafted by non-legislators and legislators generally don't know the details of the bills they are considering (reference Nancy Pelosi here), then the legal principle of "legislative intent" seems obsolete and plain reading of the text seems to be the most reliable principle of construction in my opinion.

By the way, how many lawyers are employed by the offices of legal counsel for the Senate and the House?
 
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lobbyists
Yep. Lobbyists are to government programs what green bottle flies are to big steaming piles of crap. One just attracts the other.

Of course, the big government advocates among us claim only lobbyists are the problem and propose more government to deal with the problem. ................ The solution to the swarm of green bottle flies is to add more crap. ............. Wut?
 

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Yep. Lobbyists are to government programs what green bottle flies are to big steaming piles of crap. One just attracts the other.

Of course, the big government advocates among us claim only lobbyists are the problem and propose more government to deal with the problem. ................ The solution to the swarm of green bottle flies is to add more crap. ............. Wut?
FYI, I quoted this on my FB page. Hope you don't mind. I used "Bodhi" as the reference. LOVE IT!!!