Link: Trent's gone per Scout

[Alasippi]

In watching Trent it looks pretty simple to me. He's using the "let the blocking develop technique" he was taught at Bama.
It doesn't work in the N.F.L.
You have to explode!!!
Trent hesitates and reads, and the defense is all over him in a heartbeat.
Remember, at half time of one game when Coach Saban was griping about Eddie Lacy not doing "His steps" correctly?
That's because Eddie just grabbed the hand off and "took off".
So what he did wrong at Bama has made him great as an NFL player.
Conversely, what Trent did "right" at Bama, is killing him in the NFL.
I have no doubt that Trent can make it, but, IF he's given another shot, the running back coach is going to have to say, "Forget everything you have ever learned about being a running back and just run the damn ball".
He still has a chance. He's not an old man quite yet
But it's not looking real good. I wish him the best. He just needs the right situation in the worst kind of way.
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[81usaf92]

Originally Posted by 81usaf92
I remember there was an interview with a prominent person that worked in the Browns GM office that gave some info on why the Browns traded him so soon. He stated that the Browns were trying to make him use better mechanics and see the field better in order to stay healthy and be productive past his rookie year, but they said Trent was either too slow to catch on or too hard headed to change. So instead of getting stuck with another Peyton Hillis situation the Browns were looking for a team that was desperate for a running back and would pay big to get what seemed to be a good one that was on the rise.


I think its time to say Trent is another Ron Dayne story in which he was great in college but a bust in the pros. I loved watching Trent at Alabama and hate to see his career turn out like this, but it seems like it isn't meant to be

Wow, you retorted yourself. That's TRULY AMAZING. So even before they traded him and while he was still -- allegedly -- their running back AND on the rise, they had decided that he was going to be a failure because someone else before him had been. I wonder what else those two people had in common? We know that they both had great offensive lines in front of them.

That's the way I like to run my business. I like tarot cards and Oujia for making key personnel decisions also.

When that "Fat Eddie Lacy" photo came out, the Browns told the Packers, "He'll never last. He's just too big."

Come on man you are acting like goodell trying to burn Brady in federal court by thinking you have a strong case with outlier variables that may or may not connect. You are trying to say a team that is one of the worst offenses on a consistent basis, and them trading him is the reason that Trent is in this situation. You can't explain why Dan Herron, who was drafted 100+ after Trent in the same draft, was a more effective back than Trent on one of the most explosive offenses.

Also, a lot of people reference mark being slow in developing, but you forget Sean Payton was suspended for one of those years and he is a huge reason that the saints are a threat on offense. Plus mark has better vision than Trent and always has. Two entirely different situations

 

[bamanut_aj]

I don't mind the fact that Trent didn't translate well to the NFL. It doesn't fit every players strength. There will be busts on a yearly basis, that 2012 class as a whole was a big letdown.

The problem I have is the brutality that people have gone after TR. He's a human being, he failed, but everyone seems to be enjoying his downfall and rubbing it in his face. The brutality of the comments I've seen from the media and the comments from other sites has been incredibly excessive.

Trent didn't amount to much in the NFL, but it's not his fault that he was over drafted, or that the Colts traded that 1st round pick.

I don't understand where all of the hatred is coming from.

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Brutality? Hatred?

Come on, man.


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[bamanut_aj]

The thing is that turned out to be his best year by far. I'd have to agree with that one particular hit having somewhat of an impact. The rules are changed, Trent is used as a model for what not to do. What kind of impact does that have? Now Trent has every reason to shy away from the style which was how he played the game.

Please people....stop saying that. The rule was that you can't lead with the crown. Trent does NOT lead with the crown. Just stop

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[colbysullivan]

I spoke with DC Reeves today (he used to cover Bama and is from Pensacola), and he said Trent's buddies were the ones training him and he could just tell Trent doesn't want it anymore. Whatever the reason, it just didn't work out for him in the NFL. It's a shame because he's one of the best players I've ever seen.

 

[Alasippi]

Trent will get within "himself", and he'll figure it out. He can still make it.
Regardless.....He's making a few million this year so it's not like he's despondent.
No matter what happens with his football career, he can be financially secure if he'll just be smart.

 

[81usaf92]

Please people....stop saying that. The rule was that you can't lead with the crown. Trent does NOT lead with the crown. Just stop

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Yeah its hard to argue with people who are so caught up with hidden agendas or outlier theories after they have been explained in detail over and over.

I really had high hopes for Trent but I think his flaws just outweighed his potential when it came to the transition to the NFL. I hope he has one last chance, but It seems a little unlikely but I hope for the best for him

 

[bamanut_aj]

Yeah its hard to argue with people who are so caught up with hidden agendas or outlier theories after they have been explained in detail over and over.

I really had high hopes for Trent but I think his flaws just outweighed his potential when it came to the transition to the NFL. I hope he has one last chance, but It seems a little unlikely but I hope for the best for him

I mean, according to this theory, alternate ever did was put his head down and just run in whatever direction he felt like running. And in the process he was plowing people over, giving people concussions, and scoring TDs. Then suddenly, the NFL made the Trent Rule, and poor ol Trent was never the same. Had to run with his head up, looking for holes, following blocks.....and poor ol Trent just weren't used to that kinda stuff.

The Trent Rule ruined him


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[IH8Orange]

I've been derailed from this thread and I'm sleepy so I will just make it quick.

Anyone that ever participated in debate knows that defending a viewpoint that you don't believe is extremely tough. It's easy to defend the ones that you believe, but how do you fight your own framework of beliefs to adequately defend a stance that goes against it?

I've been working on a book (fiction) and I've run into the scenario of a person forced to defend a position that appears to be, as some might put it, to be common sense. However, when faced with evidence that appears to contradict common sense, how do you handle that? The court works on evidence and you can't appeal to the jury, "come on, it's common sense."

Trades and other "business activities" are a part of an NFL career and if you can't sustain yourself through those events, you are doomed to fail. I don't know if the trade really caused any problems for Trent's psyche, but regardless if he can't deal with it, he can't deal with an NFL career. He must justify his place on a roster given whatever situation and he didn't. So, he may or may not be back.

As I looked at the stats, it does indicate that his presence on the Browns roster in 2012 helped their overall offense so I sill maintain that the evidence does not indicate "bust".

However, he must deal with the hand as he gets it and he couldn't, apparently, after his trade. This fit the premise of the situation in my book just enough that I thought of this thread as my own little petri dish and you all are my culture. I wanted someone to provide the knockout punch to my "evidence", but I'm not seeing anything that really can't be defended without leaving some room for doubt. Every time I came back with a little more evidence, I would get some promising points, but not the "Jersey Joe" coup de' grace. I apologize for going a bit overboard because I think that I may have actually convinced myself that the Browns were at fault at points during the thread. I do love poking at Cleveland, however. :biggrin:

It's got to be a knockout punch. As I said, it's common sense, but that can't overcome evidence. It has to be indisputable and defensible. The kicker is that I really don't want to give any more detail cause you tricky rascals might try to beat me to the publisher, so it has to be an abstract principle.

Thanks all. ROLL TIDE ROLL.

...I bet some of you thought that I was losing my mind.

 

[IH8Orange]

I know you're passionate about this, but even if I believed the Browns were at fault (I don't, BTW) Trent has had 3 years to get over it. Some of the best players in NFL history have been traded, waived, and cut numerous times early in their careers.

The bottom line is that playing football is Trent's job, and for whatever reason, has hasn't been good at his job. That is a undeniable FACT. No one here is immune to that, and neither should Trent be.

I was so busy defending my "evidence" that I never fully digested this post. You have the correct point here. It just isn't stated in terminology that is abstract enough.

I was being called "too emotional", was just making excuses, etc. My evidence is completely valid, but only in a limited context. Introduce Marshawn Lynch to the discussion, and my evidence is invalidated. Few attempted to attack the evidence, and you are the first that pointed out the limited context.

 

[Atl Joe]

It is all very simple. Trent Richardson was unfortunate enough to be drafted (as are other players every year) by one of the Bermuda Triangle teams of the NFL (Cincinnati, Cleveland, Buffalo). Just as ships that pass into the Bermuda Triangle are sometimes never seen from or heard from again, much can be said of players being drafted by one of these teams. It is a phenomenon that has yet to be explained...

 

[IH8Orange]

It is all very simple. Trent Richardson was unfortunate enough to be drafted (as are other players every year) by one of the Bermuda Triangle teams of the NFL (Cincinnati, Cleveland, Buffalo). Just as ships that pass into the Bermuda Triangle are sometimes never seen from or heard from again, much can be said of players being drafted by one of these teams. It is a phenomenon that has yet to be explained...

Two of those cities are close to Lake Erie. ???

 

[RolandDeschain]

Running backs for Oakland looked pretty awesome last night. 24 carries for 26 yards.

 

[IH8Orange]

Running backs for Oakland looked pretty awesome last night. 24 carries for 26 yards.

This explains why they paid Trent $600K just to show up in camp. They apparently never found a good solution. I just hope that doesn't impact Amari's effectiveness because he'll probably be facing double coverage most of the time.

 

[RTR91]

Running backs for Oakland looked pretty awesome last night. 24 carries for 26 yards.

It was the fourth preseason game. The majority of NFL teams don't play the first or second - and some times even the third team - guys. They want to find the last few players to make the roster before making the big cut. None of the Raiders' top 3 RBs had a rushing stat last night. Willing to bet the first string OL was also on the bench in street clothes.

 

[Matt0424]

This explains why they paid Trent $600K just to show up in camp. They apparently never found a good solution. I just hope that doesn't impact Amari's effectiveness because he'll probably be facing double coverage most of the time.

No one of substance really played last night, so the stats are very skewed. Latavius Murray will be an effective back for them (I was hoping Trent would snag at least RB2 as a change of pace guy). Coop may face some double coverage, but he has a decent guy on the other side (Michael Crabtree) and Rod Streater playing in the slot (he was on IR last year, but will help this year).

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[DzynKingRTR]

Running backs for Oakland looked pretty awesome last night. 24 carries for 26 yards.

I hope Coop doesn't look like a "bust" playing for this awful team.

FYI love your user name big fan of the series.

 

[IH8Orange]

It was the fourth preseason game. The majority of NFL teams don't play the first or second - and some times even the third team - guys. They want to find the last few players to make the roster before making the big cut. None of the Raiders' top 3 RBs had a rushing stat last night. Willing to bet the first string OL was also on the bench in street clothes.

No one of substance really played last night, so the stats are very skewed. Latavius Murray will be an effective back for them (I was hoping Trent would snag at least RB2 as a change of pace guy). Coop may face some double coverage, but he has a decent guy on the other side (Michael Crabtree) and Rod Streater playing in the slot (he was on IR last year, but will help this year).

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Yeah, this is the assessment for the cut to 53 so it would be those sliding along the periphery of the bubble that are getting work. The fact that Trent didn't make it to the final cut indicates the gap between his performance and their expectations.

 

[Matt0424]

Yeah, this is the assessment for the cut to 53 so it would be those sliding along the periphery of the bubble that are getting work. The fact that Trent didn't make it to the final cut indicates the gap between his performance and their expectations.

That kinda confuses me too. Although I love Trent I have been pretty critical of him. If the Raiders keep 4 backs, which I assume they will, that means Michael Dyer makes the team over him.

I think the Raiders cut is all about the money. They didn't want to be on the hook for anything more than the guarantee of 600k (I believe he was in line for $2m).

I HOPE he gets another chance, but it's tough to count on these days...and this late in camp.

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[RTR91]

From DC Reeves, former Tuscaloosa News reporter and current news reporter in Pensacloa:

‏@_DCReeves Not concrete yet, but hearing today that it’s possible that Pensacola native Trent Richardson gets a shot with the Cowboys. Stay tuned