Alabama's 1978 schedule vs. 2015

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There have been a few times that I saw the 1978 Alabama schedule used as an example of great scheduling. I'm inclined to agree, but perhaps not entirely for the same reason as some other people. The 1978 schedule appears artfully crafted, to both give the team breaks from the difficult schedule and impress voters. It is a testament to the greatness of that 1978 team that Alabama won a championship (split, the tough opening stretch caught up to them). It is one of the toughest championship seasons ever, but I believe it is easy to make the mistake of romanticized seasons like this while failing to appreciate what the modern Alabama teams are accomplishing.

I do not believe the 1978 Alabama team played the toughest schedule of any Alabama championship team. I also believe that the 1978 schedule looks better in contrast to current Alabama schedules at first glance than it actually is. The strength of schedule for the 2015 Alabama season was ranked #1 by Sagarin, so we know it was the best of the 2015 season (it's rare to have the highest SoS and win a title) but comparing it to 1978 requires more than just citing that statistic. I am going to contrast the 1978 Alabama schedule with the 2015 Alabama schedule, which I do believe is the toughest season any championship team has played.

The 1978 schedule is a great schedule. The out of conference games are Nebraska, Missouri, USC, Washington, Virginia Tech, and Penn State. How can I even say the 2015 schedule was more difficult? In 1978 the scholarship limit was 95. This was the first year of the 95 limit, going from a limit of 105 so I suspect that this was well managed much in the same way a team on the first year of scholarship reductions can field a very good team (by retaining most of their veteran players). Either way, Bear Bryant had 12 games to manage with 95 scholarship players. This comes out to 7.91 scholarship players per game. This would be like Alabama having 118 scholarship players to play 15 games. We can debate the quality of depth or relevance, but Bear Bryant had more available depth.

The SEC as a whole has improved. In 1978 there were only three teams with winning conference records! Alabama did not play Georgia, which makes Auburn the only team with a winning SEC record that they played. Florida was 4-7 and had not yet emerged as a football power, Tennessee was 5-5, Miss. State was 6-5 (with wins over West Texas A&M, North Texas State, and Memphis State) and Vanderbilt was 2-9, the powerful top to bottom conference we would eventually see had not yet emerged. Half of the SEC teams in 1978 had overall records at or below .500. In 2015 only 4 of 14 SEC teams fell below .500, all 4 of those teams coming from the SEC East.

Something I didn't notice until I started taking a closer look at this schedule, was the time between games. This shows a carefully crafted schedule that while commendable, simply isn't possible anymore. Alabama's 12 games in 1978 occurred from September 2 to January 1. Alabama's 15 games in 2015 occurred from September 5 to January 11. That means 2015 Alabama had one week to play 3 more games, with I shall repeat 10 less scholarship players. This isn't random though, 1978 Alabama opened with Nebraska on September 2, then didn't play Missouri until the September 16 (in keeping with the notion it takes longer than one week to recover from playing Nebraska). They didn't have any time between Missouri and USC, making it their toughest consecutive games without additional rest, but also Alabama's only loss of the year! Alabama also had a substantial gap between the LSU game and Auburn game (November 11 to December 2) giving them another long rest period.

Virginia Tech was the homecoming opponent and on a ten year bowl game drought. Once you look at the schedule closely what you see is three very tough opening games, three difficult games at the end with much more manageable games in between. An extremely difficult schedule, no doubt, but one in which the depth and additional rest Alabama had available made it more manageable.

Rest and depth aside doesn't the 1978 schedule still seem better? Well, I'll just disregard the FCS opponent and pretend it is a bye week. Though it's still easier to play bye, that's somewhat of the purpose of the FCS game. Now we have 12 opponents to compare to 14. I thought about going head to head, but that would take a while and it's hard to compensate for the 2 other opponents. Instead, I'll just compare total records (I was doing this on my own when I remembered ALA2262 had already done it). In 1978 the 12 Alabama opponents had a total record of 82-54 for a winning percentage of .602. In 2015 the 14 Alabama opponents had a total record of 125-60 for a winning percentage of .676. I found it surprising that the 2015 Alabama opponents had 43 more wins and just 6 more losses. If you imagine that 43-6 record as 3 additional opponents, it's like Alabama playing 3 more teams with 14-2 records!

Yes, name recognition is higher with the 1978 schedule but that's only a superficial aspect of a schedule. As I noted a couple of those teams had not yet emerged as football powers, so they were relatively easy opponents at the time. The SEC as a whole had not yet matured, making the heart of the SEC schedule much more comparable to what it's like to play through the heart of another Power 5 conference schedule. To give the 1978 schedule due credit, yes Nebraska, Missouri, USC, LSU and Penn State might have been more difficult than Wisconsin, Georgia, LSU, Michigan State and Clemson, but the 1978 schedule has no answer for Ole Miss, Miss. State, and Florida. Alabama played 11 top 30 teams in 2015 (according to Sagarin). The 12 game 1978 schedule has no answer for that either. There has never been anything like the SEC West which now exists after Texas A&M joined the SEC.

Alabama played more teams with better winning percentages, had less rest, and less scholarship players in 2015 than in 1978.

Finally, I'd like to acknowledge and praise what the 2015 Alabama football team accomplished. I can not find a real comparison for what they accomplished. That's why I wanted to take a closer look at 1978, to see how they stacked up. I have to conclude that Alabama faced more difficulty in 2015 and as long as they play in this iteration of the SEC West they will continue to face extremely high SoS. It is also worth repeating that despite the impressive schedule, Alabama only won a split title in 1978. They'd have been better off without USC on the schedule, playing them during a brutal stretch did them no favors. That aside, I don't think making schedules like the 1978 one are really feasible anymore. For instance, in 1978 Alabama only played 6 SEC games. Things have changed too much.

Also, if I've made any statistical errors I'd appreciate being corrected.

Schedules:

1978 Alabama Football Schedule

Sept. 2 Nebraska
Sept. 16 Missouri
Sept. 23 USC
Sept. 30 Vanderbilt
Oct. 7 Washington
Oct. 14 Florida
Oct. 21 Tennessee
Oct. 28 Virginia Tech
Nov. 4 Mississippi State
Nov. 11 LSU
Dec. 2 Auburn
Jan. 1 Penn State

2015 Alabama Football Schedule
Sept. 5 Wisconsin
Sept. 12 Middle Tennessee
Sept. 19 Ole Miss
Sept. 26 Louisiana-Monroe
Oct. 3 Georgia
Oct. 10 Arkansas
Oct. 17 Texas A&M
Oct. 24 Tennessee
Nov. 7 LSU
Nov. 14 Mississippi State
Nov. 21 Charleston Southern
Nov. 28 Auburn
Dec. 5 Florida
Dec. 31 Michigan State
Jan. 11 Clemson
 

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Very well said KrAzY. I believe Coach Bryant even said at some point during that 1978 season that whoever set the schedule up wasn't very smart, but we all know who set it up and it seems that with the breaks in between big games, Coach Bryant knew exactly what he was doing with the name recognition OOC games. We just don't have to do this anymore with the conference being so strong. One good team at the beginning of the year is pretty good in today's college football world. I think a lot of fans don't appreciate how the SEC is viewed outside of the south because we see the same teams every year. Those same teams are pretty darn good football teams.
 

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There have been a few times that I saw the 1978 Alabama schedule used as an example of great scheduling. I'm inclined to agree, but perhaps not entirely for the same reason as some other people. The 1978 schedule appears artfully crafted, to both give the team breaks from the difficult schedule and impress voters. It is a testament to the greatness of that 1978 team that Alabama won a championship (split, the tough opening stretch caught up to them). It is one of the toughest championship seasons ever, but I believe it is easy to make the mistake of romanticized seasons like this while failing to appreciate what the modern Alabama teams are accomplishing.

I do not believe the 1978 Alabama team played the toughest schedule of any Alabama championship team. I also believe that the 1978 schedule looks better in contrast to current Alabama schedules at first glance than it actually is. The strength of schedule for the 2015 Alabama season was ranked #1 by Sagarin, so we know it was the best of the 2015 season (it's rare to have the highest SoS and win a title) but comparing it to 1978 requires more than just citing that statistic. I am going to contrast the 1978 Alabama schedule with the 2015 Alabama schedule, which I do believe is the toughest season any championship team has played.

The 1978 schedule is a great schedule. The out of conference games are Nebraska, Missouri, USC, Washington, Virginia Tech, and Penn State. How can I even say the 2015 schedule was more difficult? In 1978 the scholarship limit was 95. This was the first year of the 95 limit, going from a limit of 105 so I suspect that this was well managed much in the same way a team on the first year of scholarship reductions can field a very good team (by retaining most of their veteran players). Either way, Bear Bryant had 12 games to manage with 95 scholarship players. This comes out to 7.91 scholarship players per game. This would be like Alabama having 118 scholarship players to play 15 games. We can debate the quality of depth or relevance, but Bear Bryant had more available depth.

The SEC as a whole has improved. In 1978 there were only three teams with winning conference records! Alabama did not play Georgia, which makes Auburn the only team with a winning SEC record that they played. Florida was 4-7 and had not yet emerged as a football power, Tennessee was 5-5, Miss. State was 6-5 (with wins over West Texas A&M, North Texas State, and Memphis State) and Vanderbilt was 2-9, the powerful top to bottom conference we would eventually see had not yet emerged. Half of the SEC teams in 1978 had overall records at or below .500. In 2015 only 4 of 14 SEC teams fell below .500, all 4 of those teams coming from the SEC East.

Something I didn't notice until I started taking a closer look at this schedule, was the time between games. This shows a carefully crafted schedule that while commendable, simply isn't possible anymore. Alabama's 12 games in 1978 occurred from September 2 to January 1. Alabama's 15 games in 2015 occurred from September 5 to January 11. That means 2015 Alabama had one week to play 3 more games, with I shall repeat 10 less scholarship players. This isn't random though, 1978 Alabama opened with Nebraska on September 2, then didn't play Missouri until the September 16 (in keeping with the notion it takes longer than one week to recover from playing Nebraska). They didn't have any time between Missouri and USC, making it their toughest consecutive games without additional rest, but also Alabama's only loss of the year! Alabama also had a substantial gap between the LSU game and Auburn game (November 11 to December 2) giving them another long rest period.

Virginia Tech was the homecoming opponent and on a ten year bowl game drought. Once you look at the schedule closely what you see is three very tough opening games, three difficult games at the end with much more manageable games in between. An extremely difficult schedule, no doubt, but one in which the depth and additional rest Alabama had available made it more manageable.

Rest and depth aside doesn't the 1978 schedule still seem better? Well, I'll just disregard the FCS opponent and pretend it is a bye week. Though it's still easier to play bye, that's somewhat of the purpose of the FCS game. Now we have 12 opponents to compare to 14. I thought about going head to head, but that would take a while and it's hard to compensate for the 2 other opponents. Instead, I'll just compare total records (I was doing this on my own when I remembered ALA2262 had already done it). In 1978 the 12 Alabama opponents had a total record of 82-54 for a winning percentage of .602. In 2015 the 14 Alabama opponents had a total record of 125-60 for a winning percentage of .676. I found it surprising that the 2015 Alabama opponents had 43 more wins and just 6 more losses. If you imagine that 43-6 record as 3 additional opponents, it's like Alabama playing 3 more teams with 14-2 records!

Yes, name recognition is higher with the 1978 schedule but that's only a superficial aspect of a schedule. As I noted a couple of those teams had not yet emerged as football powers, so they were relatively easy opponents at the time. The SEC as a whole had not yet matured, making the heart of the SEC schedule much more comparable to what it's like to play through the heart of another Power 5 conference schedule. To give the 1978 schedule due credit, yes Nebraska, Missouri, USC, LSU and Penn State might have been more difficult than Wisconsin, Georgia, LSU, Michigan State and Clemson, but the 1978 schedule has no answer for Ole Miss, Miss. State, and Florida. Alabama played 11 top 30 teams in 2015 (according to Sagarin). The 12 game 1978 schedule has no answer for that either. There has never been anything like the SEC West which now exists after Texas A&M joined the SEC.

Alabama played more teams with better winning percentages, had less rest, and less scholarship players in 2015 than in 1978.

Finally, I'd like to acknowledge and praise what the 2015 Alabama football team accomplished. I can not find a real comparison for what they accomplished. That's why I wanted to take a closer look at 1978, to see how they stacked up. I have to conclude that Alabama faced more difficulty in 2015 and as long as they play in this iteration of the SEC West they will continue to face extremely high SoS. It is also worth repeating that despite the impressive schedule, Alabama only won a split title in 1978. They'd have been better off without USC on the schedule, playing them during a brutal stretch did them no favors. That aside, I don't think making schedules like the 1978 one are really feasible anymore. For instance, in 1978 Alabama only played 6 SEC games. Things have changed too much.

Also, if I've made any statistical errors I'd appreciate being corrected.

Schedules:

1978 Alabama Football Schedule

Sept. 2 Nebraska
Sept. 16 Missouri
Sept. 23 USC
Sept. 30 Vanderbilt
Oct. 7 Washington
Oct. 14 Florida
Oct. 21 Tennessee
Oct. 28 Virginia Tech
Nov. 4 Mississippi State
Nov. 11 LSU
Dec. 2 Auburn
Jan. 1 Penn State

2015 Alabama Football Schedule
Sept. 5 Wisconsin
Sept. 12 Middle Tennessee
Sept. 19 Ole Miss
Sept. 26 Louisiana-Monroe
Oct. 3 Georgia
Oct. 10 Arkansas
Oct. 17 Texas A&M
Oct. 24 Tennessee
Nov. 7 LSU
Nov. 14 Mississippi State
Nov. 21 Charleston Southern
Nov. 28 Auburn
Dec. 5 Florida
Dec. 31 Michigan State
Jan. 11 Clemson
that '78 va tech game (i think they were vpi then) was the first game i attended.
 

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Based on the timestamp and length of his posts, I surmise Krazy is either retired with a comfortable nest egg, or independently wealthy. In either event, I envy him...
Heh, look at this timestamp.

I was wondering if anyone would note that though. For the record I actually started looking up some stuff a few days ago (even posted a couple things I noticed) and piddled with it here and there. I was mainly satisfying my curiosity.
 

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I've added the rankings for the ranked teams ON THE DAY OF THE GAME.....


1978 Alabama Football Schedule

Sept. 2 Nebraska (10)
Sept. 16 Missouri (11)
Sept. 23 USC (7)
Sept. 30 Vanderbilt
Oct. 7 Washington
Oct. 14 Florida
Oct. 21 Tennessee
Oct. 28 Virginia Tech
Nov. 4 Mississippi State
Nov. 11 LSU (10)
Dec. 2 Auburn
Jan. 1 Penn State (1)

2015 Alabama Football Schedule
Sept. 5 Wisconsin (20)
Sept. 12 Middle Tennessee
Sept. 19 Ole Miss (15)
Sept. 26 Louisiana-Monroe
Oct. 3 Georgia (8)
Oct. 10 Arkansas
Oct. 17 Texas A&M (9 - with a first-place vote even)
Oct. 24 Tennessee
Nov. 7 LSU (2)
Nov. 14 Mississippi State (20)
Nov. 21 Charleston Southern
Nov. 28 Auburn
Dec. 5 Florida (18)
Dec. 31 Michigan State (3)
Jan. 11 Clemson (1)
Note that rankings only went to #20 back then - but that doesn't affect it one way or the other since we didn't play any teams ranked 21-25.
 

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Like it, or not as much. The 4 team playoff is helping a lot of teams to build a spine when it comes to SOS. Teams are obviously trying not to be the next North Carolina or Baylor with their fragile OOC schedule in the eyes of the playoff committee. Conclusive evidence of this newfound courage can be seen on opening day/opening week. We have been privy to a few marquee matchups in past seasons, with Bama usually setting the pace. This year is a who's who, from FSU, Ole Miss, USC, Barn, Clemson, Georgia, North Carolina, really too many to name.

Even though the SEC has implemented a rule that all members must schedule at least one team from a power 5 conference each year, it's nice to see many good programs step up and play a very difficult opening game. One down, three to go.

Lot's of AD's have stated that the 4 team playoff is the biggest motivation for the new resolve. The secondary market and fan excitement were strong considerations as well.

Pac 12, Big 12, and now Big Ten have joined the 9 conference game schedule. Come on SEC, not good to have this much in common with the ACC.

9 conference games, can you imagine the possibilities?
2 cupcakes down, two to go.
 

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Like it, or not as much. The 4 team playoff is helping a lot of teams to build a spine when it comes to SOS. Teams are obviously trying not to be the next North Carolina or Baylor with their fragile OOC schedule in the eyes of the playoff committee. Conclusive evidence of this newfound courage can be seen on opening day/opening week. We have been privy to a few marquee matchups in past seasons, with Bama usually setting the pace. This year is a who's who, from FSU, Ole Miss, USC, Barn, Clemson, Georgia, North Carolina, really too many to name.

Even though the SEC has implemented a rule that all members must schedule at least one team from a power 5 conference each year, it's nice to see many good programs step up and play a very difficult opening game. One down, three to go.

Lot's of AD's have stated that the 4 team playoff is the biggest motivation for the new resolve. The secondary market and fan excitement were strong considerations as well.

Pac 12, Big 12, and now Big Ten have joined the 9 conference game schedule. Come on SEC, not good to have this much in common with the ACC.

9 conference games, can you imagine the possibilities?
2 cupcakes down, two to go.
Personally, I don't see counting Iowa State, Kansas, Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, or Purdue as conference games. No different than playing a "cupcake."
 

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Personally, I don't see counting Iowa State, Kansas, Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, or Purdue as conference games. No different than playing a "cupcake."

Have any trouble counting Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, this year?

All in the east and Florida and Tenn and Georgia get to count them 4 times in their 8 game SEC schedule. Give the big three, 3 more cupcake games, now we are at 7 and one of those big three will meet us in Atlanta for all the SEC marbles. Let's start there with some of your indignation.
 

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Have any trouble counting Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, this year?

All in the east and Florida and Tenn and Georgia get to count them 4 times in their 8 game SEC schedule. Give the big three, 3 more cupcake games, now we are at 7 and one of those big three will meet us in Atlanta for all the SEC marbles. Let's start there with some of your indignation.
All-time winning percentages:

Missouri: .545
South Carolina: .511
Vanderbilt: .496
Kentucky: .494

Maryland: .524
Purdue: .522
Rutgers: .506
Kansas: .488
Iowa State: .451
Indiana: .419

The four SEC East teams have a combined 30 winning seasons since 2000 while the six teams I listed have a combined 32.

Also, the teams you listed have a combined 72 bowl appearances (18 per team average) compared to the 87 by the 6 I listed (14.5 per team average).

The teams I listed have averaged 129 years of football. The teams you listed have averaged 124.5 years.

You bring up Mizzou and South Carolina like they have been doormats over the last 20 years, yet they both have more winning records since 2000 compared to the six I listed.
 

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All-time winning percentages:

Missouri: .545
South Carolina: .511
Vanderbilt: .496
Kentucky: .494

Maryland: .524
Purdue: .522
Rutgers: .506
Kansas: .488
Iowa State: .451
Indiana: .419

The four SEC East teams have a combined 30 winning seasons since 2000 while the six teams I listed have a combined 32.

Also, the teams you listed have a combined 72 bowl appearances (18 per team average) compared to the 87 by the 6 I listed (14.5 per team average).

The teams I listed have averaged 129 years of football. The teams you listed have averaged 124.5 years.

You bring up Mizzou and South Carolina like they have been doormats over the last 20 years, yet they both have more winning records since 2000 compared to the six I listed.

Suffering from a bad case of SEC self-righteousness?

A good and strong argument can be made that the SEC east stands significantly behind the Big Ten East division.
Ohio State - Georgia
Michigan State - Tennessee
Michigan - Florida
Penn St - South Carolina
Maryland - Kentucky
Indiana - Missouri
Rutgers- Vandy

Think how ticked off the big ten east boys get with the much easier path of their west brethren?

All these in charge of the color graphics want to overwhelm the retinas, showing what a tough row to hoe we southern folks have to drag through every Saturday in the fall. All these stats and charts to help us see how unfair it is to make us play an upgraded OOC schedule, yet the same injustice in SOS is under your very nose, metrically speaking in the east/west, and not nearly the disdain.
 

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Suffering from a bad case of SEC self-righteousness?

A good and strong argument can be made that the SEC east stands significantly behind the Big Ten East division.
Ohio State - Georgia
Michigan State - Tennessee
Michigan - Florida
Penn St - South Carolina
Maryland - Kentucky
Indiana - Missouri
Rutgers- Vandy

Think how ticked off the big ten east boys get with the much easier path of their west brethren?

All these in charge of the color graphics want to overwhelm the retinas, showing what a tough row to hoe we southern folks have to drag through every Saturday in the fall. All these stats and charts to help us see how unfair it is to make us play an upgraded OOC schedule, yet the same injustice in SOS is under your very nose, metrically speaking in the east/west, and not nearly the disdain.
Your comparison is just wrong and proves nothing.If you are going to compare divisions compare them the right way. The big 10 east is their strong division and the big 10 west is their weak. So it's a bad argument to compare our weak to their strong. So here is the way to do it.

Wisconsin-UGA
Iowa-Tennessee
Minnesota-Florida
Nebraska- South Carolina
North western-Missouri
Illinois-Kentucky
Purdue-Vandy

aside from comparing the overall historys of Nebraska and USCE instead of the last 10 years it's no comparison that the SECE is way stronger than the BIG10W
 
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Suffering from a bad case of SEC self-righteousness?

A good and strong argument can be made that the SEC east stands significantly behind the Big Ten East division.
Ohio State - Georgia
Michigan State - Tennessee
Michigan - Florida
Penn St - South Carolina
Maryland - Kentucky
Indiana - Missouri
Rutgers- Vandy

Think how ticked off the big ten east boys get with the much easier path of their west brethren?

All these in charge of the color graphics want to overwhelm the retinas, showing what a tough row to hoe we southern folks have to drag through every Saturday in the fall. All these stats and charts to help us see how unfair it is to make us play an upgraded OOC schedule, yet the same injustice in SOS is under your very nose, metrically speaking in the east/west, and not nearly the disdain.
Bama plays twice as many ranked teams now as during Coach Bryant's era: 3.1 vs 6.5. Last year played 8 ranked teams, including 10 against teams with 9 or more wins and 7 vs teams with 10 or more wins. What do some fans want ? Besides money is the primary driver, IMO.

Money is the reason other confs are going to 9 conf games, not the "spirit of competition" ruse. Why should the SEC further cannibalize itself with another conf game ? Thankfully most of the SEC is against it. How many more ranked teams do you want Bama to play ? In Bama's "legendary" 1978 schedule it played 5 ranked teams, last year it played 8. During Bama's last 8 seasons it has AVERAGED more games against ranked teams, 6.5, than the '78 team, 5.
 
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Now you are just tryingn to be argumentative. If you are going to compare divisions compare them the right way. The big 10 east is their strong division and the big 10 west is their weak.

Wisconsin-UGA
Minnesota - Tennessee
Iowa-Florida
Nebraska- South Carolina
North western-Missouri
Illinois-Kentucky
Purdue-Vandy

aside from comparing the overall historys of Nebraska and USCE instead of the last 10 years it's no comparison that the SECE is way stronger than the BIG10W

Mainly, because that wasn't even close to the point I'm making. The SEC world sites conference inequality. I'm showing that it exist everywhere. Aways has. Always will. Even, in the SEC.

If all power 5 teams must upgrade their SOS, by having to play only power 5 teams, nothing changes in advantage. If all power 5 teams must play 9 conference games, NOTHING changes in advantage. There will NEVER be the same SOS for all teams. It's never happened in history, No, not even in the east/west SEC.
 

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Bama plays twice as many ranked teams now as during Coach Bryant's era: 3.1 vs 6.5. Last year played 8 ranked teams, including 10 against teams with 9 or more wins and 7 vs teams with 10 or more wins. What do some fans want ? Besides money is the primary driver, IMO.

Money is the reason other confs are going to 9 conf games, not the "spirit of competition" ruse. Why should the SEC further cannibalize itself with another conf game ? Thankfully most of the SEC is against it. How many more ranked teams do you want Bama to play ? In Bama's "legendary" 1978 schedule it played 5 ranked teams, last year it played 8. During Bama's last 8 seasons it has AVERAGED more games against ranked teams, 6.5, than the '78 team, 5.
I'm reasonable. Let's start with a 9 game SEC schedule. No FCS teams and hope the 4 team playoff committee rewards those doing at least this much.
 

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Mainly, because that wasn't even close to the point I'm making. The SEC world sites conference inequality. I'm showing that it exist everywhere. Aways has. Always will. Even, in the SEC.

If all power 5 teams must upgrade their SOS, by having to play only power 5 teams, nothing changes in advantage. If all power 5 teams must play 9 conference games, NOTHING changes in advantage. There will NEVER be the same SOS for all teams. It's never happened in history, No, not even in the east/west SEC.
I take it you haven't looked at how dismal the Big 12, PAC 12, and Acc are or you would find that your point of upgrading is borderline impossible for a fair scheduling across the board.

Maybe I'll put it another way. Notre Dame being an independent gets to choose a multitude of different games ranging from different conferences. Since 1985 they have 1 title and 1 butt kicking in the title. The 1988 title came because of a lucky blown call vs Miami at South bend. So ask an Irish fan whether they would like 5 more titles or to year in and year out play this seemingly awesome schedule.
 

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I'm reasonable. Let's start with a 9 game SEC schedule. No FCS teams and hope the 4 team playoff committee rewards those doing at least this much.
If we had replaced MTSU or La Monroe with NDSU, Montana, or JSU we would've still had the hardest schedule in the country.
 

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Suffering from a bad case of SEC self-righteousness?
Sorry, we continue to present numbers disputing your claims.

A good and strong argument can be made that the SEC east stands significantly behind the Big Ten East division.
Ohio State - Georgia
Michigan State - Tennessee
Michigan - Florida
Penn St - South Carolina
Maryland - Kentucky
Indiana - Missouri
Rutgers- Vandy

Think how ticked off the big ten east boys get with the much easier path of their west brethren?

All these in charge of the color graphics want to overwhelm the retinas, showing what a tough row to hoe we southern folks have to drag through every Saturday in the fall. All these stats and charts to help us see how unfair it is to make us play an upgraded OOC schedule, yet the same injustice in SOS is under your very nose, metrically speaking in the east/west, and not nearly the disdain.

Mainly, because that wasn't even close to the point I'm making. The SEC world sites conference inequality. I'm showing that it exist everywhere. Aways has. Always will. Even, in the SEC.
No one is saying inequality doesn't exist in the SEC. We're saying the fact the SEC provides a tougher conference schedule overall means SEC teams shouldn't have to do what you think is necessary for "fan excitement."

If all power 5 teams must upgrade their SOS, by having to play only power 5 teams, nothing changes in advantage. If all power 5 teams must play 9 conference games, NOTHING changes in advantage.
The heck it doesn't, but whatever...

There will NEVER be the same SOS for all teams. It's never happened in history, No, not even in the east/west SEC.
"So because SOS has never been equal, might as well add tougher opponents to your already tough schedule, Alabama!" is your thinking?

Just stop.
 
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