Ole Miss Dumps 'Dixie' From Football Games

jthomas666

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When is the last time anyone on this board can honestly say they have seen a KKK fully dressed marching with the stars and bars. I've lived in south all my life and have never laid eyes on one.
I've met a heck of a lot more bigots and racists north of the Mason Dixon than south of it.
1980, Scottsboro, AL. They were having a mini-rally at one of the main intersections. My mom and I were on our way to church, and she was seriously freaked out. That was the same year a classmate showed me his KKK membership card. He was bragging about it.
 

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The closest I have ever come to seeing a KKK rally was when there was a group at Jimmy Carter's speech in Tuscumbia in 1980. The Grand Wizard at the time was Don Black. It always amused me that was the name of a KKK leader.



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I grew up in Montgomery during the Freedom Riders in the early 60's. My dad had federal marshal sharpshooters on the roof of his business across the street from the downtown Greyhound station when they arrived. Always heard of the Klan but growing up Montgomery, Anniston and Mobile, never saw one.
 

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When is the last time anyone on this board can honestly say they have seen a KKK fully dressed marching with the stars and bars. I've lived in south all my life and have never laid eyes on one.
I've met a heck of a lot more bigots and racists north of the Mason Dixon than south of it.

1987, about a mile from where my parents live right now


 

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1980, Scottsboro, AL. They were having a mini-rally at one of the main intersections. My mom and I were on our way to church, and she was seriously freaked out. That was the same year a classmate showed me his KKK membership card. He was bragging about it.
Oh, the night after that rally they burned a cross on the highest hill in town.
 

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as I like to mention every time these threads come up the Swastika has been around for Centuries and for most of it's time on earth it was used by different religions as a sign of luck, hope and other generally positive things.

Put a Swastika on your house today and absolutely no one will think you are a Jain or Hindu making a statement about auspiciousness of luck

same for a rebel flag, or the song dixie. Like the Swastika they have been co-opted by the most horrible within our midst and no longer mean anything other than as a hate symbol

it is what it is

time to grow up and admit it
You are comparing a genocide to a flag used in a war that was started over power and money. The countrys economy was based on plantations in the south and industries in the north. The politics were deeply divided between trying to protect their way of life and the slave system. The end of slavery would destroy the livelihood of southern families so they would try to protect it. There would have been a portion of the south that wanted to end slavery in another manner that would have a smaller impact on their life.
There were slaves under the American flag, the Union and the Confederacy.

The flag today, definitely doesn't mean that people want to force slavery onto people.
So, I assume the issue with the flag comes from the civil rights era.
If that's the case, i believe it is important to remember the condition and treatment of the South. There was Sherman's March during the war that destroyed a large portion of GA , the Depression in the South, and the martial law for the south. They were left with nothing. The flag became a tribute to those that died in the war and a symbol of strength/pride in the south.

During the civil rights era, the hate group and its members used the flag. I will not defend this but I will add... These events are history and if you chose to remove the flag, the "confederacy", or Dixie it will not change the past and it will not cause someone that hasn't gotten over the past to be able to move on.
 

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It is a two way street Selma. But folks are angry because the rebel flag and Dixie are traveling down the street with the Klu Klux Klan today.
Klan uses the Bible, too. So did the Nazis.

Why the selectivity in what needs to be removed???

And the Klan "today?" The responses I see here all say "the last time I saw the Klan was 30-35-40 years ago."

Wanna know the last time I saw a Rebel flag? It was when a BLACK football player at Ole Miss had one behind him while smoking a bong, and the Klan was nowhere to be seen.


I'm just saying...



Not something that happened 150 years ago.
This is what I love about this argument. The opposition to the flag ALWAYS begins with "those lost cause folks and the Civil War 150 years ago" and when I point out this obvious flaw in the whole 150 years ago claim, they immediately move to "the Klan uses it."

Klan uses the Bible, too, (and crosses for that matter) but this use of symbolism always seems to escape so many.

Now to reiterate (before I'm misunderstood) - I've never owned a Confederate flag and probably never will, I had ancestors who fought on both sides in the Civil War, and I basically 'get' the argument of there being a difference between it being part of the state flag etc and private ownership, and I wrote back when the Dylan Roof murders happened that it WILL eventually come down from the Mississippi state flag even if takes nothing more than the state being more than 50% black. (They might have pulled it off both in 2000 when they tried AND last year if they weren't so openly hateful towards individual persons about it; the 2000 debacle was heading towards removing the flag until interlopers from up north let it be known they were throwing money into the state to take that flag down - the absolute WRONG way to handle Southern politics - and before they could even get the flag down they were on a Sherman-like rampage against every single monument in Louisiana and wanted to rename Jackson Square, which proves the point the hard liners have always made: "why should I do this when you're simply going to move to something else to take away?")

As far as 'Dixie' at Ole Miss, well....they've already gotten rid of Colonel Reb, the Rebel flag itself (the so-called stick rule) awhile back, etc - so I really don't think the school is going to implode if they stop playing "Dixie."

Of course, there's a separate element at play here, too, beneath the surface that has nothing to do with race or the war. Holtz and Spurrier both the flag in SC an issue while there...makes a convenient excuse ("I can't get the good black athlete to come here," which is mostly hogwash, too). For years, some Ole Miss fans have consoled themselves that the reason they can't compete nationally "because of that flag." And guess what? When they're still as lousy as they've been the last fifty years, the excuse will be "it's gonna take another fifty years because of that flag."


The flag is an issue - but it has nothing to do with how lousy Ole Miss has been in football (particularly within the SEC) the last fifty years, either.

EDITED TO ADD:

However, there is no doubt in my mind they were hurt in the late stages of the Johnny Vaught era by their stubborn refusal to even TRY to recruit black players in their gasp of institutional racism.
 

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What that flag means has been debated back and forth. For those who see it as a symbol of racism and slavery, fine. Don't fly it. I have shown numerous meanings it has for me that do not have anything to do with race hatred. I don't have time to hate any race. Nor do I have any inclination to.
When folks cross the line and assert that it has only one meaning (and thus what the flag must mean to me), that gets my hackles up. Maybe that is just my Scotch-Irish heritage talking, maybe I'm just ornery. You can say what it does mean to you. You can say what it should mean to me. No one gets to dictate what it does mean to me. As Cora Munro said in Last of the Mohicans, "I would rather make the gravest of mistakes than surrender my own judgment."
You decide what it means to you and I'll decide what it means to me. Time to grow up and understand how free speech works.
 
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What that flag means has been debated back and forth. For those who see it as a symbol of racism and slavery, fine. Don't fly it. I have shown numerous meanings it has for me that do not have anything to do with race hatred. I don't have time to hate any race. Nor do I have any inclination to.
When folks cross the line and assert that it has only one meaning (and thus what the flag must mean to me), that gets my hackles up. Maybe that is just my Scotch-Irish heritage talking, maybe I'm just ornery. You can say what it does mean to you. You can say what it should mean to me. No one gets to dictate what it does mean to me. As Cora Munro said in Last of the Mohicans, "I would rather make the gravest of mistakes than surrender my own judgment."
You decide what it means to you and I'll decide what it means to me. Time to grow up and understand how free speech works.
Agree completely.

For the record, I don't have a problem with the confederate flag, but I also don't have any connection to it. Even if I did, I don't think I'd fly it simply out of respect for those who view it differently than I do.
 

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Looks like pretty bad attempt at photoshop.
Photoshop or not (and it is pretty poor photoshop) we have all now seen it and therefore the rainbow flag must be removed from everything because it is now associated with the KKK in our minds.
 

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Photoshop or not (and it is pretty poor photoshop) we have all now seen it and therefore the rainbow flag must be removed from everything because it is now associated with the KKK in our minds.
now that they are bored with recruiting children, those gays are co-opting all of our heritage

 

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You are comparing a genocide to a flag used in a war that was started over power and money. The countrys economy was based on plantations in the south and industries in the north. The politics were deeply divided between trying to protect their way of life and the slave system. The end of slavery would destroy the livelihood of southern families so they would try to protect it. There would have been a portion of the south that wanted to end slavery in another manner that would have a smaller impact on their life.
There were slaves under the American flag, the Union and the Confederacy.

The flag today, definitely doesn't mean that people want to force slavery onto people.
So, I assume the issue with the flag comes from the civil rights era.
If that's the case, i believe it is important to remember the condition and treatment of the South. There was Sherman's March during the war that destroyed a large portion of GA , the Depression in the South, and the martial law for the south. They were left with nothing. The flag became a tribute to those that died in the war and a symbol of strength/pride in the south.

During the civil rights era, the hate group and its members used the flag. I will not defend this but I will add... These events are history and if you chose to remove the flag, the "confederacy", or Dixie it will not change the past and it will not cause someone that hasn't gotten over the past to be able to move on.

no, i'm comparing symbols and telling you what they mean to most.

To very few people the swastika is a symbol of pride, but to most of us it is a hate symbol

same with the flag and all the symbols that were associated with the confederacy. They've been used from Civil rights to now as a symbol of hate.

Someone replied "to some" yesterday after my post, and I would wholeheartedly agree, if "some" is defined as "everyone not born in the south"

my point is and was that it doesn't matter what you want it to mean, if you fly a rebel flag or blast Dixie as your car horn (both I've seen/heard recently in Atlanta) or whatever you are telling all of the rest of the world that you are an ignorant racist, period. It is what it is and wishing it wasn't or rationalizing the causes for the war or the angst of reconstruction or whatever isn't going to change that. Sorry
 

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The Rebel Flag and Dixie can certainly mean different things to different people. But don't wave it or play the song at an event sanctioned by a public university. You (whoever you are) and your buddies go get a parade permit and wave and sing to your hearts content. Wear robes or not. Naked or clothed. Go for it.
 

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