Dre Kirkpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

[gtowntide]

Wow, we are a bunch of spoiled fans aren't we?

 

[81usaf92]

I agree. There's really no way to defend a perfectly executed pick play except a flag and 95% of the football-watching world didn't recognize what had happened. Not many sportswriters either...

I think Klatt said it best. After the first time we had it done to us, we should've saw that the refs are not going to call it. So we should've played accordingly, whether or not it's illegal is irrelevant after they didn't call it the first time.

 

[BamaInCummingGA#1]

I think Klatt said it best. After the first time we had it done to us, we should've saw that the refs are not going to call it. So we should've played accordingly, whether or not it's illegal is irrelevant after they didn't call it the first time.

So, what defensive play do you call to against an illegal pick? I'm assuming that someone has seen Bama in practice coming up with defensive calls for pick plays?

 

[JF3]

That one play did not win the game for Clemson. We lost the game in the middle quarters by not converting third downs and putting our defense back on the field. If we convert third downs and get two field goals in the second or third quarter, we win the game. We did not execute and gave Clemson too many opportunities. That's why we lost. The pick play was just another opportunity we gave Clemson and they took advantage of it.

 

[oldtimetider]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Buzzsaw? Buzzsaw? Did you watch the first half? That buzzsaw had fewer teeth than a hillbilly in Marengo county. It took two blatantly obvious offensive fouls and one of the worst performances in terms of consistency from our offense in sustaining drives for Clemson to win. That is what it took. Every defensive minded coach in America will be outcoached as long as receivers can tackle block the corner covering another receiver. Sure everybody runs pick plays, but those two were atrocious.


Wait a minute now...I got family in Marengo County...

 

[Padreruf]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Watched Deshaun Watson for Houston Texans -- he looked outstanding. Could it be that we just ran into the next Tom Brady??? After watching him tonight, I think so.

 

[81usaf92]

So, what defensive play do you call to against an illegal pick? I'm assuming that someone has seen Bama in practice coming up with defensive calls for pick plays?

Take a PI or Defensive hold, but there are ways to make it less likely to happen.

 

[81usaf92]

Watched Deshaun Watson for Houston Texans -- he looked outstanding. Could it be that we just ran into the next Tom Brady??? After watching him tonight, I think so.

Maybe, but it's hard to say without meaningful play.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Watched Deshaun Watson for Houston Texans -- he looked outstanding. Could it be that we just ran into the next Tom Brady??? After watching him tonight, I think so.

I agree that they had no shot without Watson. What folks will never get away from, however, is that the illegal pick was the last play of the game, without which they fall short. So, despite any intervening factors, it still came down to that play. I said above and I'll repeat that it's really almost impossible to defend a well-played pick. That's why there's a rule against it. By the time the DB can disengage and switch, with a good QB, which they had, it's too late. I'm not blaming the DBs and I'm not blaming Saban. I am blaming the officials...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

You got too much free time.:biggrin:

Since my ex left, I have:

a) a whole lot more time
b) a WHOLE lot more money

(And a court hearing I'm expected to win tomorrow that will net me even more, but I digress)...

 

[RTR91]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

I agree that they had no shot without Watson. What folks will never get away from, however, is that the illegal pick was the last play of the game, without which they fall short. So, despite any intervening factors, it still came down to that play. I said above and I'll repeat that it's really almost impossible to defend a well-played pick. That's why there's a rule against it. By the time the DB can disengage and switch, with a good QB, which they had, it's too late. I'm not blaming the DBs and I'm not blaming Saban. I am blaming the officials...

Heck, I still think they don't even get there without a random 15 yard penalty on Daron Payne on the first or second play of the drive.

 

[Special K]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Heck, I still think they don't even get there without a random 15 yard penalty on Daron Payne on the first or second play of the drive.

No question, they caught about every "break" you could on that last drive. I just kept saying "you've gotta be kidding me" over and over on that drive.

 

[Mystical]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

I agree that they had no shot without Watson. What folks will never get away from, however, is that the illegal pick was the last play of the game, without which they fall short. So, despite any intervening factors, it still came down to that play. I said above and I'll repeat that it's really almost impossible to defend a well-played pick. That's why there's a rule against it. By the time the DB can disengage and switch, with a good QB, which they had, it's too late. I'm not blaming the DBs and I'm not blaming Saban. I am blaming the officials...

When he got up from that hit Foster put on him like it was nothing, showed me all I needed to see about him.

 

[cuda.1973]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Let's see..............

We go 2-15 on 3rd down conversions. Hang the D out to dry. Bo breaks his leg. And it takes a questionable penalty, and two missed penalties, on the last drive, for the game to be decided on the last play of the game.

I dunno. Could have won, yeah: should have won, maybe, probably. Didn't: well, it happens.

Out-coached? Not so sure. Out-adapted, well, maybe. Big difference.

Time for the season to start.

 

[CrimsonProf]

I agree with Earle and RTR91 - the officiating on the final drive was atrocious and it bit us - hard.

I do feel that we could have made some better adjustments in the course of the game and in that sense it seems we were out coached, but we were in a position to win at the end until some Watson heroics and terrible officiating did us in.


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[RollTide_HTTR]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Watched Deshaun Watson for Houston Texans -- he looked outstanding. Could it be that we just ran into the next Tom Brady??? After watching him tonight, I think so.

Slow down there. It was a preseason game which is basically like a college game vs a good college team that uses a really simple playbook. He looked solid but that's about it.

Heck, I still think they don't even get there without a random 15 yard penalty on Daron Payne on the first or second play of the drive.

Yea, this is why it seems unfair to say a coach was "out coached" in a close game. I think its a case of recency bias where you remember the last play but there are tons of other plays along the way that were equally as important. I maintain that the only games where you can really see someone being out coached are in games that should be close based on talent but end up being blowouts or near blowouts.

 

[rgw]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Sometimes a great game between two teams that came down to the last play is just a great game between two teams that came down to the last play.


I think Freud said that or something

 

[GreatMarch]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

On a lighter note about Dre. Every time I hear his name the first thing I think about is he and Jerrell Harris making a defensive call at the line in practice and none of the coaches or players knowing what they were calling. And, Saban tells them to stop making Gadsden High School audibles and just walked off shaking his head!

 

[BamaInCummingGA#1]

Take a PI or Defensive hold, but there are ways to make it less likely to happen.

So, take a penalty and move them that much closer to the endzone which gives them even more options on play calling including running plays against a defense that had already been on the field for 100 plays. Yeah, that's good sound strategy right there.

People, just face it. We lost the game. No excuses to that.

 

[Padreruf]

Re: Dre Kilpatrick thinks Saban was outcoached in CFPCG

Slow down there. It was a preseason game which is basically like a college game vs a good college team that uses a really simple playbook. He looked solid but that's about it.

Yea, this is why it seems unfair to say a coach was "out coached" in a close game. I think its a case of recency bias where you remember the last play but there are tons of other plays along the way that were equally as important. I maintain that the only games where you can really see someone being out coached are in games that should be close based on talent but end up being blowouts or near blowouts.

I realize it was preseason...but his calm demeanor and pinpoint passing was on display again. I am just laughing at the critics who said that he would not be a good pro...

And yes, without the pick (illegal) we win...has anyone interviewed the official who swallowed his flag on that call?