We disagree, but that's cool. And I am defending my position, not these idiots. There is a HUGE difference.
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Urban Meyer thread 2.0...
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I get that you want to defend your coach and your team. Most of us on this board would defend ours. You lost me when you started comparing McMurphy to that ex FSU QB (I refuse to write his name because it will show up in google searches) who is nothing but an internet troll. How some of my fellow posters here have not figured that out yet, I will never know. I will be honest I had no idea who McMurphy was until this. Maybe because when I read most articles, I never really pay attention to who actually wrote it. I am still at a loss to know what it is Meyer did wrong here other than keep a questionable employee employed. I am no fan of Meyer at all and I never have been.
It is obvious what will happen here. Meyer will get “time served” and the AD will take the bullet. The whole committee was a farce and they knew what they were going to do 2 weeks ago. If Meyer had Harbaugh’s record he would be gone, but he doesn’t. Somebody has to get fired and it will be the AD. He already got thrown under the bus, and now tOSU will back up over him.
I've said all along OSU would keep him. I heard several friends say Meyer was gone for sure, but I cautioned them to not assume that is what OSU would do. Ultimately, do I think Meyer was an enabler to Smith? Yes. Was there proof that he knew about the latest incident, probably not, but common sense tells you he knew there was a pattern of behavior and this fits with that pattern. Did Meyer protect him? Absolutely. I don't hate OSU, they made a decision that helps their team, but it sends the wrong message to abusers and victims of domestic violence.
I would hope that UA would not hesitate on a similar case to do more than slap the enabler on the wrist. Meyer won't miss a single check. But you have to think with his checkered history with coaches and student athletes going back to his days at Florida, recruits will start to become wary. He left a mess at Florida and it won't be long before he has OSU is in the same boat.
I would hope that UA would not hesitate on a similar case to do more than slap the enabler on the wrist. Meyer won't miss a single check. But you have to think with his checkered history with coaches and student athletes going back to his days at Florida, recruits will start to become wary. He left a mess at Florida and it won't be long before he has OSU is in the same boat.
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Nail, meet hammer. Absolutely the most likely scenario IMO, especially the part about 2 weeks ago. What a dog and pony show.
I hope that you are wrong. I want the people responsible for these poor decisions to be held accountable. What that means depends on what facts are uncovered.
As for the committee - if Alabama had such a committee, I am sure that you would feel just as adamantly that it was a farce, right?
ETA - I am going to stop the back and forth (again). I'll stick to posting information that I discover.
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Each of us can be bitter about anyone or anything we want to be bitter about. What's important to one person might not matter to the next. Makes us who we are. RTR
So, you can be bitter about Kanell and I can't be bitter about McMurphy. Are you kidding me?
seems like Meyer and this Smith mess are really a symptom of something much more serious going on at OSU.
as for Meyer, most people made up their minds about him a long time ago.
personally, it doesn't appear to me that he did anything that rises to the level of a fireable offense...but he's done nothing to change my view of him as an oily, win at all costs rogue.
i won't call him a loser or fraud because it's beyond argument that he's a masterful coach...but boy does he have a trail of slime that follows him around.
as for Meyer, most people made up their minds about him a long time ago.
personally, it doesn't appear to me that he did anything that rises to the level of a fireable offense...but he's done nothing to change my view of him as an oily, win at all costs rogue.
i won't call him a loser or fraud because it's beyond argument that he's a masterful coach...but boy does he have a trail of slime that follows him around.
And your position appears to be Brett McMurphy is a bad person because he reported this story.
I think it has more to do with the lazy inaccuracies in his story, the way he approached the story, and the way he seems to be specifically targeting Meyer with his story at the expense of many truths of the story.
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I agree. What is justice? I'm afraid it doesn't enter in that equation.
TOSU will likely do what is most cost effective. Regardless...
Yeah, $$$ is going to play a huge role in the decision.
As for justice, no laws were broken. Any rules broken were those of the school. Shouldn't the school define justice here rather than the angry mob?
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Don't post here often enough. The committee knew what the outcome was going to be. Has anyone heard the committee interviewing anyone other than persons that contradicted the victims statements? Did they interview Mrs. Smith. I am sure they had lawyers on committee or available, that would tell them they will not be able to get any evidence or information from the local police department due to confidentiality laws, but go there anyhow. Did committee interview McMurphy. When they interviewed ex Coach Smith, do you think they asked him final question, "Is there anything else that will come out that you have not told us about?" Now new arrest in 2013? Credibility should be shot. But no. Verdict Meyer time served. AD early retirement with bonuses.
There's only two questions that I would like to know the true answer: What did coach Smith do that justified his firing last month? If the answer relates back to earlier years, why was he not fired back then?
The true answers to these two questions would reveal the culprits. Either he should have been fired years ago, but it was covered up by somebody due to special relationships OR he did something recently that justified him being fired. If the latter is true, there would be no need for Meyer's leave of absence or any investigation.
The true answers to these two questions would reveal the culprits. Either he should have been fired years ago, but it was covered up by somebody due to special relationships OR he did something recently that justified him being fired. If the latter is true, there would be no need for Meyer's leave of absence or any investigation.
The OSU committee did a chemistry problem. They started with the answer and worked their way back to make their findings fit the punishment. As for McMurphy, he was and is an out of work reporter for ESPN, and the story was a chance for him to grab the spotlight and help his future job prospects. He, no question had an agenda, and this story gave him the opportunity> But he has no reason to hold a grudge against Meyer. If OSU really thought this out, they'd part ways with Meyer before it gets worse, and yes it can get worse. (think of Hernandez at Florida). Look at his history and you can tell that he cares more about winning than the young men he coaches.
This is how the previous thread started going downhill prior to getting nuked.
BIGTide, you are emotionally caught up in this and it's getting the better of you - again.
So can we calm down and have a rational discussion without a histrionic response to every comment slightly disparaging someone associated with OSU before this gets out of hand again and this thread gets nuked?
The question is rhetorical. The answer isn't. I don't want a repeat.
BIGTide, you are emotionally caught up in this and it's getting the better of you - again.
So can we calm down and have a rational discussion without a histrionic response to every comment slightly disparaging someone associated with OSU before this gets out of hand again and this thread gets nuked?
The question is rhetorical. The answer isn't. I don't want a repeat.
Facts - Yes, they interviewed Courtney. They also interviewed the Powell PD. Why would they interview the reporter to get second hand information?
This whole thing is such a mess. And had this been reported to CUM, what should he have done? What would Jesus do? Two people accusing each other of DV and at the same time pleading with CUM not to report this as it would ruin Zach's career and devalue Courtney's divorce settlement. I have a feeling Jesus would have told them go and sin no more. CUM was in an impossible situation not of his own making. He was a loser no matter what he did.
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