Kyle Rittenhouse a hero? (update - not guilty on all charges)

[MattinBama]

Also a video of the alleged him getting his azz kicked for the sucker punch.
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Just saw that one too.

 

[crimsonaudio]

We will never agree on this stuff. You see rioters and I see protesters. The only people playing stupid games to me here were the thugs with guns who showed up hoping to find trouble.

The problem is there are both - there are protestors and there are rioters.

If both are the same to you, then yes - we will never agree. If this is your view, then you will always make excuses for destruction of private property 'for the greater good', which I find ridiculous, and will never accept.

I will never allow 'demonstrators' to burn my home or business. I can't imagine you actually feel otherwise.

If the reality of there being two groups resonates with you, then we can move forward with the discussion. Otherwise, - if you conflate the demonstrators with the rioters - then we will have to simply agree to disagree.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Yes I think “both sides” were extremely stupid, but I think my issue is one side is dead for their stupidity and one side is given the “at a boy” treatment by many on social media and Fox.

I think the whole situation is sad all away around.

Agreed, but when you play with violence, you get what you get.

I've seen a bar fight of a single punch result in death when the 'victim' unconsciously hit his head on a curb when he fell.

If people want to escalate violence - whether than be with a rifle or a skateboard - they need to know what they're asking for. The real world isn't COD.

 

[MattinBama]

The problem is there are both - there are protestors and there are rioters.

If both are the same to you, then yes - we will never agree. If this is your view, then you will always make excuses for destruction of private property 'for the greater good', which I find ridiculous, and will never accept.

I will never allow 'demonstrators' to burn my home or business. I can't imagine you actually feel otherwise.

If the reality of there being two groups resonates with you, then we can move forward with the discussion. Otherwise, - if you conflate the demonstrators with the rioters - then we will have to simply agree to disagree.

One aspect that adds to the fog of war & confusion is that the whole thing is fluid & multilayered.

You have protestors, you have criminal opportunists, you have racist provocateurs trying to stir up violence, you have police COINTELPRO agents, you have anarchists trying to get their jollies, you have formerly peaceful protestors that have given up on it as a valid avenue in the face of continued injustices & now their anger boils over into riots as a form of protest, and you have the people that otherwise were just protestors that are responding to increasing police violence against peaceful demonstrations with their own violence.

It’s a messed up & confusing situation that gets broad brushed constantly (I do it too because it’s easier than trying to figure out & breakdown the myriad aspects every time you discuss it).

ETA- another two subsets

 

[B1GTide]

The problem is there are both - there are protestors and there are rioters.

If both are the same to you, then yes - we will never agree. If this is your view, then you will always make excuses for destruction of private property 'for the greater good', which I find ridiculous, and will never accept.

I will never allow 'demonstrators' to burn my home or business. I can't imagine you actually feel otherwise.

If the reality of there being two groups resonates with you, then we can move forward with the discussion. Otherwise, - if you conflate the demonstrators with the rioters - then we will have to simply agree to disagree.

I will make it simple. This was a protest. This was not a riot. As with almost any protest right now, some people are there just to find or start trouble. The murderer was one of them. Almost everyone there to which he posed a danger were not.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I will make it simple. This was a protest. This was not a riot.

Call it what you want, but some people were starting fires the first night of the protests. I call that rioting.

IN PHOTOS: Stunning scenes of damage in Kenosha

 

[Im_on_dsp]

There are two truths here: Kyle Rittenhouse is not a hero and the happenings in Kenosha the night he murdered those three people was a riot. It may have started as a protest but became a riot as soon as people starting burning things that didn't belong to them.

 

[92tide]

i think one thing that needs to be remembered is that the administration wants this violence to be happening. it's part of their re-election strategy.

and it is going to get a lot worse.

 

[Tug Tide]

Portland, shooting after conflict between pro-Chumpers and protesters
If DT does indeed go to Kenosha, I imagine there will be some very nervous Secret Service agents

One Person Dead in Portland After Clashes Between Trump Supporters and Protesters (Published 2020)

A man affiliated with a right-wing group was shot and killed Saturday night. A caravan of supporters of President Trump had driven into downtown Portland.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Tug Tide]

Trumpets shooting paintballs at protesters

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1299908467457622016

 

[B1GTide]

Trumpets shooting paintballs at protesters

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1299908467457622016

And this is how protests become riots.

 

[Bamaro]

And this is how protests become riots.

And this is what trump wants.

 

[Jon]

Trumpets shooting paintballs at protesters

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1299908467457622016

this is insane

 

[Tidewater]

Pretty good write up and video analysis from the NYT.

Tracking the Suspect in the Fatal Kenosha Shootings

 

[Im_on_dsp]

Pretty good write up and video analysis from the NYT.

Tracking the Suspect in the Fatal Kenosha Shootings

Interesting. While I still maintain he is no hero and deserves some sort of punishment the facts presented here may bolster his claims of self defense. If he doesn't get convicted it may lead to more protests and riots. This may sound bad but I'm kind of glad his victims were all white.

 

[Tidewater]

Interesting. While I still maintain he is no hero and deserves some sort of punishment the facts presented here may bolster his claims of self defense. If he doesn't get convicted it may lead to more protests and riots. This may sound bad but I'm kind of glad his victims were all white.

The problem may be overcharging.
If Wisconsin is a "lesser and included" state, then the jury may acquit him of murder 1 and convict him of manslaughter.
If Wisconsin is not a state that allows lesser and included charges, and he is overcharged, he may just walk.
Same goes for the cops in Atlanta and Minneapolis.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Interesting. While I still maintain he is no hero and deserves some sort of punishment the facts presented here may bolster his claims of self defense. If he doesn't get convicted it may lead to more protests and riots. This may sound bad but I'm kind of glad his victims were all white.

He's going to have a very difficult time claiming self defense when he was committing other crimes in the lead up to those moments and that's before the details of the circumstances emerge.

 

[92tide]

He's going to have a very difficult time claiming self defense when he was committing other crimes in the lead up to those moments and that's before the details of the circumstances emerge.

but he's going to have a lot of help making that claim

 

[NationalTitles18]

but he's going to have a lot of help making that claim

Well, he also had no legitimate reason to be there. He had no duty to protect any of those business that we are aware of since he did not own any of it and I doubt a relative did. He was NOT legally carrying, for one thing. Big hurdles.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Well, he also had no legitimate reason to be there. He had no duty to protect any of those business that we are aware of since he did not own any of it and I doubt a relative did. He was NOT legally carrying, for one thing. Big hurdles.

I agree - he shouldn't have been there. Not a hero. Etc.

But wrt to self defense - if he didn't escalate the violence, but rather was armed (even illegally) and used that weapon to defend himself, self defense might stand.

Doesn't mean I agree with any of his decisions, but in some sates things like 'illegally carrying' are thrown out the window if the shooting is determined to be self defense.