Science: COVID-19 Vaccine Issues and New Poll Part VI

What is your vaccine status?

  • Fully Vaccinated or have received all the recommended doses

    Votes: 27 90.0%
  • Partially Vaccinated

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • First Vaccination Scheduled

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm Hesitant (please leave a comment)

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • I'd rather take my chances with the disease AMA of every legitimate entity in the world

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • Total voters
    30
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selmaborntidefan

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I have a female friend I've known for 17 years, although we don't live anywhere close to each other. Single, 60, health nut. Has a Master's degree in Kinesiology. By NO means a "dumb person." One of these "food ain't nothing but fuel for your body, it doesn't have to taste good" kind of people. Still skinny after all these years.

Talked to her on the phone last night. Has somewhere along the way become a rigid anti-vaxxer, at least as far as this one is concerned. (She worked in the military on bases in wellness - so I KNOW she's at least had the Hep B series).

I'm listening to this - and an appeal to "some doctor who's an expert and shows how this is all experimental."

Where do they get this stuff???????
 

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Alabama - limited state of emergency. Hopefully this will also allow the feds to come in & help.


Mobile Infirmary highest covid hospitalizations in the state...
More nonsense from Ivey. "We'll try to make it easier for healthcare workers to treat COVID patients, but we won't do jack to actually reduce the number of COVID patients."
 

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I have a female friend I've known for 17 years, although we don't live anywhere close to each other. Single, 60, health nut. Has a Master's degree in Kinesiology. By NO means a "dumb person." One of these "food ain't nothing but fuel for your body, it doesn't have to taste good" kind of people. Still skinny after all these years.

Talked to her on the phone last night. Has somewhere along the way become a rigid anti-vaxxer, at least as far as this one is concerned. (She worked in the military on bases in wellness - so I KNOW she's at least had the Hep B series).

I'm listening to this - and an appeal to "some doctor who's an expert and shows how this is all experimental."

Where do they get this stuff???????
 

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The state of Mississippi is out of intensive care unit (ICU) beds. The University of Mississippi Medical Center — the state's largest health system — is converting part of a parking garage into a field hospital to make more room.

"Hospitals are full from Memphis to Gulfport, Natchez to Meridian. Everything's full," said Alan Jones, MD, the hospital's COVID-19 response leader, in a Wednesday press briefing.

The state has requested the help of a federal disaster medical assistance team of physicians, nurses, respiratory therapists, pharmacists, and paramedics to staff the extra beds. They will arrive today or tomorrow with a goal of opening the field hospital on Friday.


Arkansas hospitals have as little as eight ICU beds left to serve a population of 3 million people. Alabama isn't far behind.

As of Tuesday, several large metro Atlanta hospitals were diverting patients because they were full.

Hospitals in Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, and Texas are canceling elective surgeries, as they are flooded with COVID patients.

Florida has ordered more ventilators from the federal government. Some hospitals in that state have so many patients on high-flow medical oxygen that it is taxing the building supply lines.

"Most hospitals were not designed for this type of volume distribution in their facilities," said Mary Mayhew, president of the Florida Hospital Association.

That's when they can get it. Oxygen deliveries have been disrupted because of a shortage of drivers who are trained to transport it.

"Any disruption in the timing of a delivery can be hugely problematic because of the volume of oxygen they're going through," Mayhew said.

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Lee Owens, age 56, said he was supposed to have triple bypass surgery on Thursday at St. Thomas West Hospital in Nashville. Three of the arteries around his heart are 100%, 90%, and 70% blocked. Owens says the hospital called him yesterday to postpone his surgery because they've cut back elective procedures to just one each day because the ICU beds there are full.


"I'm OK with having to wait a few days (my family isn't!), especially if there are people worse than me, but so much anger at the reason," he said. "These idiots that refused healthcare are now taking up my slot for heart surgery. It's really aggravating."

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"Because of how infectious this variant is, this has the potential to be so much worse than what we saw in January," says Donald Williamson, MD, president of the Alabama Hospital Association.


Williamson says they have modeled three possible scenarios for spread in the state, which ranks dead last in the United States for vaccination, with just 35% of its population fully protected. If the Delta variant spreads as it did in the United Kingdom, Alabama could see it hospitalize up to 3000 people.


"That's the best scenario," he said.


If it sweeps through the state as it did in India, Alabama is looking at up to 4500 patients hospitalized, a number that would require more beds and more staff to care for patients.


Then, there is what Williamson calls his "nightmare scenario." If the entire state begins to see transmission rates as high as they're currently seeing in coastal Mobile and Baldwin counties, that could mean up to 8000 people in the hospital.


"If we see R-n[a]ughts of 5 to 8 statewide, we're in real trouble," he said. The R-naught is the basic rate of reproduction, and it means that each infected person would go on to infect 5 to 8 others. Williamson says the federal government would have to send them more staff to handle that kind of a surge.


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"There's a big sense of betrayal," said Sarah Nafziger, MD, vice president of clinical support services at the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB) Hospital. "Our staff and healthcare workers, in general, feel like we've been betrayed by the community."


"We have a vaccine, which is the key to ending this pandemic and people just refuse to take it, and so I think we're very frustrated. We feel that our communities have let us down by not taking advantage of the vaccine," Nafziger said. "It's just baffling to me and it's broken my heart every single day."


This morning, Nafziger said she met with several surgeons at UAB and began making decisions about which surgeries would need to be canceled next week. "We're talking about cancer surgery. We're talking about heart surgery. We're talking about things that are critical to people," she said.

Now this one really aggravates me:


Compounding the staffing problems, about half of hospital workers in Alabama are still unvaccinated. Williamson says they're now starting to see these unvaccinated healthcare workers come down with COVID too. He says that will exacerbate their surge even further as healthcare workers become too sick to help care for patients and some will end up needing hospital beds themselves.


At the University of Mississippi Medical Center, 70 hospital employees and another 20 clinic employees are now being quarantined or have COVID, Jones said.
 

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Too many unknowns for me. Good luck to everyone who has taken a vaccine. I really hope it works out for everyone and I seriously mean that. Too much death in the world contributed to disease and evil.
 
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There were also another 35 deaths confirmed, though Harris cautioned deaths are a “lagging indicator” that provide a snapshot from three or four weeks ago. He said the deaths being confirmed now are from around July 4, and he believes they will only continue to rise with new infections.

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The state’s hospitalization rate was up by 70 on Thursday to 2,441. The state set a record of 3,084 inpatients in mid-January and Harris said it’s expected that number will be surpassed within days. Harris said only 5% of ICU hospital beds remain available statewide, as of Thursday.


Additionally, pediatrician and Deputy State Health Officer Dr. Karen Landers said “it appears, at least anecdotally, that we are seeing more children who are ill with this delta variant.”

The vast majority of those those hospitalized, currently 88%, are not fully vaccinated, Harris said.


There are a growing number of “breakthrough” cases among those who are fully vaccinated, though the overwhelming majority have mild symptoms and rarely need hospitalization. Harris said there have been 23 deaths among the fully vaccinated since April, accounting for about .001% of deaths.


 

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Published: Aug. 12, 2021 at 5:20 AM PDT|Updated: Aug. 12, 2021 at 9:48 AM PDT

There were also another 35 deaths confirmed, though Harris cautioned deaths are a “lagging indicator” that provide a snapshot from three or four weeks ago. He said the deaths being confirmed now are from around July 4, and he believes they will only continue to rise with new infections.

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The state’s hospitalization rate was up by 70 on Thursday to 2,441. The state set a record of 3,084 inpatients in mid-January and Harris said it’s expected that number will be surpassed within days. Harris said only 5% of ICU hospital beds remain available statewide, as of Thursday.


Additionally, pediatrician and Deputy State Health Officer Dr. Karen Landers said “it appears, at least anecdotally, that we are seeing more children who are ill with this delta variant.”

The vast majority of those those hospitalized, currently 88%, are not fully vaccinated, Harris said.


There are a growing number of “breakthrough” cases among those who are fully vaccinated, though the overwhelming majority have mild symptoms and rarely need hospitalization. Harris said there have been 23 deaths among the fully vaccinated since April, accounting for about .001% of deaths.



In my ofc we have tried every possible way to rationally explain the benefits of vaccinating.....but so many (upwards of 25-30% of our staff) are so thoroughly against it. The number one reason is autonomy over medical decision making. Which I respect.....don't agree with necessarily because of the current COVID situation....but I get. The argument of 'well if you want to drive you gotta wear a seat belt' doesn't apparently resonate wrt COVID vaccinations among some of our employees......the idea of getting a simple needle stick, with proven documented benefits, being mandated in the work place is not one that everyone agrees with. again.....i respect the right of individuals to make that choice. just wish that decision making process was more based on sound scientific reason in this instance.....the risk/benefit analysis is skewed SO far towards a positive outcome (for the VAST majority of individuals) for the vaccine. and, quite ironically, a couple of ppl i know who are now markedly PRO vaccine were adamantly ANTI vaccine late last year because it was developed under the trump admin.....go figure....what times we live in
 

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In my ofc we have tried every possible way to rationally explain the benefits of vaccinating.....but so many (upwards of 25-30% of our staff) are so thoroughly against it. The number one reason is autonomy over medical decision making. Which I respect.....don't agree with necessarily because of the current COVID situation....but I get. The argument of 'well if you want to drive you gotta wear a seat belt' doesn't apparently resonate wrt COVID vaccinations among some of our employees......the idea of getting a simple needle stick, with proven documented benefits, being mandated in the work place is not one that everyone agrees with. again.....i respect the right of individuals to make that choice. just wish that decision making process was more based on sound scientific reason in this instance.....the risk/benefit analysis is skewed SO far towards a positive outcome (for the VAST majority of individuals) for the vaccine. and, quite ironically, a couple of ppl i know who are now markedly PRO vaccine were adamantly ANTI vaccine late last year because it was developed under the trump admin.....go figure....what times we live in
Typhoid Mary didn't think she was a problem, either. She thought she had her rights, too, you know. And Jacobson thought he had a right to refuse a vaccine in the middle of an epidemic when mandated before SCOTUS said otherwise.

Bottom line: even though everyone has the right to determine their own course in most situations, special circumstances can cause that to change and it is well within the scope of the police powers of government during a public health crisis to force people to do things they might not otherwise do in order to protect others' health.

The only thing I saw last year was people being skeptical of the former guy and waiting to see what happened, which seemed reasonable to me. I was skeptical, but hopeful, and delighted when the applications were filed because the data showed overwhelmingly that the vaccines were safe and effective. But our caution regarding the former guy has been twisted into a supposed anti-vaccine stance that simply did not exist with the vast majority of us. Take statements from Biden and Harris last year that were skeptical of the former guy but were not skeptical of the vaccines - but the story got twisted on them, too, into something they did not say. So in general I reject that premise as false and inflammatory.
 
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