Russia Invades Ukraine VII

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Prying troops out of the factory won't be easy and Russian infantry is shown it's not up for the task. The Russians will use a lot of artillery and wait. Food for the defenders has got to run short at some point in the future.
You know, no country, not even Russia, has an unlimited supply of ammo, missiles, etc., although I'd admit that their main problem seems to be the humans. We know they're unable to manufacture any more tanks because of sanctions. How important is it for Russia to end this early?
 

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You know, no country, not even Russia, has an unlimited supply of ammo, missiles, etc., although I'd admit that their main problem seems to be the humans. We know they're unable to manufacture any more tanks because of sanctions. How important is it for Russia to end this early?
Depends on how much ammunition the Russians have got stockpiled. Right now, artillery is the only weapon system that the Russians can really count on.
 
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Depends on how much ammunition the Russians have got stockpiled. Right now, artillery is the only weapon system that the Russians can really count on.
Regardless, it's not unlimited. Apparently their supply of reliable soldiers isn't either. Another question is our inventory and how much of it we want to release. So far, we've given them a few days worth...
 
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Regardless, it's not unlimited. Apparently their supply of reliable soldiers isn't either. Another question is our inventory and how much of it we want to release. So far, we've given them a few days worth...
A fair point. Getting that ammo to Mariupol is no a given either (not sure what the status of the railroads from Rostov-na-Donu to Mariupol are).
This is why what is going on in the rear of areas behind the Russian front lines is so important. And so difficult to for the West to get an accurate picture of. A western journalist wandering around the DPR reporting on ambushes of Russian. supply convoys is likely to be arrested and charged with spying (or simply shot and dumped on the side of the road).
If Russian trains or truck convoys can safely transit the Russian rear areas to the front line units, then time is on the Russians' side and the Ukrainians are in trouble. If however, most Russian supply convoys are being ambushed and destroyed, then time is on the Ukrainians' side.
 
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A fair point. Getting that ammo to Mariupol is no a given either (not sure what the status of the railroads from Rostov-na-Donu to Mariupol are).
This is why what is going on in the rear of areas behind the Russian front lines is so important. And so difficult to for the West to get an accurate picture of. A western journalist wandering around the DPR reporting on ambushes of Russian. supply convoys is likely to be arrested and charged with spying (or simply shot and dumped on the side of the road).
If Russian trains or truck convoys can safely transit the Russian rear areas to the front line units, then time is on the Russians' side and the Ukrainians are in trouble. If however, most Russian supply convoys are being ambushed and destroyed, then time is on the Ukrainians' side.
From the news, it would appear that there's not a snowball's chance of getting anything through to Mariupol on the ground. However, there is that problem we've discussed before - just the area's being colored in red on the maps on TV doesn't mean there's a Russian soldier every 100 yards...
 
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Ukraine finally getting the spare Migs and parts from "unnamed" countries. Probably Poland.

 

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From the news, it would appear that there's not a snowball's chance of getting anything through to Mariupol on the ground. However, there is that problem we've discussed before - just the area's being colored in red on the maps on TV doesn't mean there's a Russian soldier every 100 yards...
I've read some twitter reports that the fighters in Mariupol have stock-piled tons of food and gear in an extensive tunnel network where they are. How much there is or how much of that is propaganda, I've no idea. But if they are able to get underground and have a lot of supplies, it'll be tough to get them out, short of chem/bio weapons.
 

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I've read some twitter reports that the fighters in Mariupol have stock-piled tons of food and gear in an extensive tunnel network where they are. How much there is or how much of that is propaganda, I've no idea. But if they are able to get underground and have a lot of supplies, it'll be tough to get them out, short of chem/bio weapons.
And they're tying down a substantial number of Russian troops, troops they need, if they're going to pull off their north/south pincer move on the eastern Ukraine army units. Personally, I believe that the next critical phase of the war is coming up. The first concluded with their being unable to conquer Kyiv. If their troops are inadequate, either in spirit, competence or leadership to complete the pincer, that means they will continue to try and push forward slowly on an extremely long front. It would almost become a WWI situation, with artillery pounding away. I hope they keep trying tank salients without troop support. It makes for good Javelin target practice. Then, it will just depend on whether we can keep the Ukrainians supplied...
 
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