OC and DC replacement discussion

TideEngineer08

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We have the athletes (RBs and WRs) to do this, but does it take a different OL to make this work. I know the splits that were referenced were in regards to the WRs, but IIRC, it also creates wider gaps between the OLs. That isn't power blocking. That's stretch blocking...:cool:

Uthug used splits with their WRs and we know that Huepel is an OU guy.

I dunno, I'm not sure if this will work well in the SEC...:unsure:
Our OL hasn't power blocked in 2 years anyway.
 

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Isn't the wide splits what UT did to us this year?

I love the concept described in the description of what Lebby does. It would seem to me the better athletes you have the better this system would work.

But I see no reason why those same athletes (with a good OL) couldn't line up inside the hashes (like 4th down or goalline) and bully their way forward.

It would seem if any roster could possibly do both it would be a roster like UA has.

After seeing all the bunch formations and failed play-calling/no imagination I'd love to see us go wide open again like we did with Tua and Mac.

It's time for the offense to be on offense and score lots of points and fear having to face a talented team.

And, it takes some of the pressure off the defense in games when the other offensive team is harder to shut down.
The problem with the bunch formations is that it puts more players in play regardless of if it's a run or pass. Even the CBs can play a role in the run D, and it's way easier for the Safeties to be both in the box, and supporting pass coverage. It's almost like giving the D another player or two
 

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Just a quick read about Lebby and his offenses, if he is hired I just don't see Saban turning over complete control for him to run anything he wants. The "wide splits" by the OL and WR's being on the outer hashes spread "way apart" sounds more like an air raid pass 70% of the time and run very little.
The splits are really more on the receivers than the OL. Watched some season highlights and the OK OL isn't really spread out any differently than our guys do, with the WRs are WAY out there.
 

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The problem with the bunch formations is that it puts more players in play regardless of if it's a run or pass. Even the CBs can play a role in the run D, and it's way easier for the Safeties to be both in the box, and supporting pass coverage. It's almost like giving the D another player or two
Right...instead of getting your guys in space it's more like playing in a box.

The way we ran routes out of the bunch formations took extra time too. They were often long, slow developing routes. And when we rarely tried a screen it seemed they never worked because the defense was so bunched up too.
 

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Our OL hasn't power blocked in 2 years anyway.
In practically any situation when the play clock is allowed to run down it forces the OL to keep their weight back to avoid moving before the snap. Then when BY holds the ball after the snap it presents an impossible situation for the OL to maintain their blocks and not end up being called for being downfield. BOB's offense 95% of the time the worst possible approach to improve offensive line play IMO.
 

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May be a sign he thinks Venables isn’t going to straighten things out. He is merely leaving while the opportunity is good.
Honestly, did anyone really think BV would be a good HC? His high strung, panicky, urgent demeanor as Clempson DC should have been a pretty good indicator IMO. Maybe he should've taken a G5 or FCS position before a P5 position.
 
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People seriously overestimate how much air raid guys pass the ball. Often the running game is really important to those offenses.
Well, it depends on who is running it...

Leach (one of the creators of the AR) was well-known for rarely running the ball. It seemed as it it was more of a 'see if this tricks them since we pass so much' idea rather than part of the offensive identity. For example, last year MSU was #1 nationally in passing attempts per game (48.8/game) and #131 (dead last) nationally in rushing attempts per game (22.69/game).
 

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In practically any situation when the play clock is allowed to run down it forces the OL to keep their weight back to avoid moving before the snap.
Not only that, if you ever played OL you know how uncomfortable / tiring it is to hold your stance for a long time. The less time the OL has to be 'down', the better.
 

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Well, it depends on who is running it...

Leach (one of the creators of the AR) was well-known for rarely running the ball. It seemed as it it was more of a 'see if this tricks them since we pass so much' idea rather than part of the offensive identity. For example, last year MSU was #1 nationally in passing attempts per game (48.8/game) and #131 (dead last) nationally in rushing attempts per game (22.69/game).
For sure. Definitely depends on the specific play caller and offshoot of it. And most of them do throw it a lot. I just think the running game is a lot more important to its success than some realize.

But not all of the offshoots of the AR are Mike Leach who like you said was one of the creators and probably more pure AR than some others from my understanding.
 

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Interesting Lebby info perhaps: Lebby's dad was a high school D-coordinator in Andrews, TX, who later became the head coach and had Shaud Williams on his team in Andrews before he went to TTU and later Bama.

Brother-in-law played for elder Lebby when he was D coordinator.
 

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TJ you still feel things have been cleared for Pruitt to return? I have heard that Leonhard is very much in the mix is Gol*ing is indeed out the door.
I have not spoken to him since yesterday but he said the university has cleared his hiring so I am assuming Pruitt is the primary target. I did text him to see if he had an idea of the timing of announcements.
 

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Just a quick read about Lebby and his offenses, if he is hired I just don't see Saban turning over complete control for him to run anything he wants. The "wide splits" by the OL and WR's being on the outer hashes spread "way apart" sounds more like an air raid pass 70% of the time and run very little.
Lebby is an interesting candidate to watch for.

Jeff loves fast offense. Go, go, go!!!!!! He will stress the defense out on the field.

See the quotes,
.......balanced attack and attack based on the numbers in the box. Seven or fewer, run it, eight or more throw it. So naturally this system in its updated version runs several RPOs. The speed can also make it difficult for offensive linemen at times. They have to get set and not move. So you’ll see an uptick in false starts, and shift penalties.
Here's an idea of what we could see if we get Lebby....
Running game/ Blocking:

Lot of vertical throws:


Balanced approach running/throwing.
 

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In practically any situation when the play clock is allowed to run down it forces the OL to keep their weight back to avoid moving before the snap. Then when BY holds the ball after the snap it presents an impossible situation for the OL to maintain their blocks and not end up being called for being downfield. BOB's offense 95% of the time the worst possible approach to improve offensive line play IMO.
I want to be clear that the people I blame for our OL are not the players at all. I agree completely with your statement here.