Change One Play In CFB History For Maximum Impact
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Weird I swear I saw the videos come out after Selma’s post, but yeah I’m dumb I guess
I'd not be surprised if he does read TF, though I doubt he's ever weigh in on anything here as he's employed by 247Sports.
He posts here all the time under a pseudonym: BamaHoops
If Tua doesn't lay the ball down at the ~5 as we were going in to score I think the 2019 LSU game is a completely different animal. My only Iron Bowl in person was 2019 and I'm still ticked about the refs giving them that field goal!!!
I get all that - but how does that change the history of CFB into something different?
The field goal right before halftime of the 2019 Iron Bowl might be the angriest I've ever been about what was an OBVIOUS sleazeball way around the rules. TO ME - and you don't have to be an Alabama fan to think this - the obvious solution as an official is "even if there was one second left, you couldn't have gotten the field goal team out and set up, so there." (I've never read the CFB official rules - a mystery no doubt to Matt Austin - but most sports give officials discretion on things not explicitly covered). So the obvious call to me was "yeah, you've got one second left and we can line up and you get to run a play - but you don't get to start with the field goal unit out here you never could have gotten onto the field anyway."
At the same time, it's after-the-fact justification to say, "Well, it was three points and we lost the game by three points." Yes, and we threw two pick sixes, too, the second one maybe the most mind-blowing pick six I've ever seen.
In a way, though, I was kind of "glad" (wrong word) for that loss after the LSU loss...because we probably get jobbed in the selection process even though we were obviously a better choice even with two losses than OU was in 2019. Problem is, there were a bunch of 2-loss teams.
Thx for your insights btw.
With all due respect, you know deep down you're wrong about that one.
NOTHING keeps Texas folks from yacking!
Texas fans ARE the far left side of a Dunning-Kruger graph, regardless of the subject matter...With all due respect, you know deep down you're wrong about that one.
NOTHING keeps Texas folks from yacking!
Here's one that's kind of obscure to folks here - but no less important.
November 7, 1998
Michigan State vs #1 Ohio State at the Horseshoe in Columbus. Buckeyes lead, 17-9, with 10:04 left in the third quarter. Bill Burke drops back on a third and seven at the Bucks 33 and fires a pass that Ohio State's Damon Moore picks off and darts 73 yards the other way for a Pick Six to make it 24-9, Ohio State. At the 50-yard line on his way to the goal line begins that "pointing intimidation" thing some guys do. As he approaches the goal line, he leaps across it...a showboating act that royally ticked off Michigan State's players by their own admission.
What followed that one play and act?
1) Michigan State roared back into the game and beat Ohio State, 28-24, largely triggered by Moore's actions.
2) This was the particular game where Saban discovered "the Process" - again, his own admission
3) The game was Ohio State's only loss and cost them a national title shot - the THIRD TIME in the Cooper Era at Ohio State that one key November loss kept them away from a title shot
4) potentially, it changes the history at Tennessee...if Fulmer doesn't win that year
5) Cooper probably doesn't get fired after 2000 with a title shot and DOES NOT if he wins, meaning the Tressel era maybe never happens or is at least delayed
6) Saban wins 11 of his next 15 games and pops up on LSU's radar because of that
Maybe Ohio State wins it again in 2002, which changes our perception of Cooper.
Maybe he steps down at age 67 and Urban Meyer goes right to Columbus instead of Florida.
That one play affected:
a) Ohio State
b) Michigan State
c) LSU
d) potentially Tennessee
e) potentially Florida
f) potentially Alabama (in that the later Saban success put him on our radar from LSU)
It affects national title games in 1998 for sure and possibly 2003, 2006, and every one from 2008 onward. This one has TWO key components, not just one: 1) it affects Ohio State's approach to Cooper; 2) Saban's rep got boosted because he beat Ohio State twice in a row, this doesn't happen without this particular game.
Just a "not exactly Alabama" thought on one.
November 7, 1998
Michigan State vs #1 Ohio State at the Horseshoe in Columbus. Buckeyes lead, 17-9, with 10:04 left in the third quarter. Bill Burke drops back on a third and seven at the Bucks 33 and fires a pass that Ohio State's Damon Moore picks off and darts 73 yards the other way for a Pick Six to make it 24-9, Ohio State. At the 50-yard line on his way to the goal line begins that "pointing intimidation" thing some guys do. As he approaches the goal line, he leaps across it...a showboating act that royally ticked off Michigan State's players by their own admission.
What followed that one play and act?
1) Michigan State roared back into the game and beat Ohio State, 28-24, largely triggered by Moore's actions.
2) This was the particular game where Saban discovered "the Process" - again, his own admission
3) The game was Ohio State's only loss and cost them a national title shot - the THIRD TIME in the Cooper Era at Ohio State that one key November loss kept them away from a title shot
4) potentially, it changes the history at Tennessee...if Fulmer doesn't win that year
5) Cooper probably doesn't get fired after 2000 with a title shot and DOES NOT if he wins, meaning the Tressel era maybe never happens or is at least delayed
6) Saban wins 11 of his next 15 games and pops up on LSU's radar because of that
Maybe Ohio State wins it again in 2002, which changes our perception of Cooper.
Maybe he steps down at age 67 and Urban Meyer goes right to Columbus instead of Florida.
That one play affected:
a) Ohio State
b) Michigan State
c) LSU
d) potentially Tennessee
e) potentially Florida
f) potentially Alabama (in that the later Saban success put him on our radar from LSU)
It affects national title games in 1998 for sure and possibly 2003, 2006, and every one from 2008 onward. This one has TWO key components, not just one: 1) it affects Ohio State's approach to Cooper; 2) Saban's rep got boosted because he beat Ohio State twice in a row, this doesn't happen without this particular game.
Just a "not exactly Alabama" thought on one.
I love the possible ramification list...all the dots are connected in some way.
TBH, I have to think about what I had for lunch yesterday...I love your memory and consider you a national treasure.
What does that change?
He still wins the Heisman (he won it by over 1,000 points as it was).
Miami goes 9-4 instead of 8-5, so they end the year 13th instead of 18th.
BC still wins the bowl game.
And yeah, we're deprived of the seminal 80s moment everyone recalls - which would simply have been replaced by something else.
No Nugenix Total T commercials?
"Sorry Doug. You couldn't score on a Hail Mary. Consumers won't believe you can "score" after age 50....."
LSU QB Rohan Davey getting knocked out against Tennessee in the 2001 sec championship game. Tennessee had no answers for Matt Mauk. Winning that game gave Saban good will and bought him more time at LSU. The were a disappointing 8-5 the next year but by 2003 Saban Got LSU a National Championship Which made him a hot commodity in coaching circles.
Has anyone mentioned the interception in the inaugural SEC championship game that basically secured Alabama's trip to play Miami in the Sugar Bowl to play and win the NC? If we would have lost that SEC title game... WOW!
Yeah, it probably kills conference championship games before they get a head of steam.
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