Michigan Under Investigation For Sign Stealing

selmaborntidefan

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You know I’ve seen so many people up in arms about Deflategate, Spygate, Astros, and Clemson sign stealing but they never consider two things… 1) the team that outed them knew for a long time and 2) way more teams than them did it.

Take Deflate gate for example…. The Colts knew for over two months that New England had under inflated balls and never sounded the alarm to the nfl. They waited until during the AFCCG to bring it up. The media frenzy centered on the Patriots about PSI yet when the Wells report and evidence came out everyone ignored that quarterbacks like Rodgers and Roethlisberger overinflated the balls.

I’ve always found when cheating is uncovered that everyone comes to the incorrect conclusion that only that team cheats. It’s like everyone acts like only Auburn and the other SEC teams were playing players and Alabama was innocent despite us having a history of sanctions due to us playing players.

Sign stealing is nothing new and I guarantee you that pretty much everyone the top 15 has some version of sign stealing. The reason that this is a story is because Michigan is blowing people out and Harbaugh makes a great villain
I know the Pine Tar Game was before your time, but the part that was so funny about it was that the Yankees knew for weeks, maybe months, that George Brett had too much pine tar on his bat. Billy Martin - he literally said this - was waiting "until Brett does something to hurt us." Brett nails a game-winning (potential) home run, and Martin goes out and cries about it. Brett gets ejected, the home run is disallowed, and the Yankees win.

But then the AL President (whose Dad, coincidentally, had once been a Yankees owner) basically said, "Look, the rule is poorly written and all it means is this, not that it's the same as a corked bat." In fact, the rule only called for the BAT to be removed from the game, no other penalty. So he applied that and the Yankees cried.

Of course, if they were actually concerned about pine tar on the bat, they could have said something earlier. They weren't; they were concerned about getting even with Brett and having a backup plan to win the game on a technicality.

It was the crooked referee in wrestling angle come to life in MLB.

As far as cheating, I'll tell you what an Alabama alum (who shall remain nameless) told me back during the Franchione days: "the top 60 CFB programs in America take whatever liberties they can with the rules and get away with them. And then they report their opponents for doing the same thing, hoping the scholarship reductions from probation slant the playing field in their direction. They're all dirty to the core."
 
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I know the Pine Tar Game was before your time, but the part that was so funny about it was that the Yankees knew for weeks, maybe months, that George Brett had too much pine tar on his bat. Billy Martin - he literally said this - was waiting "until Brett does something to hurt us." Brett nails a game-winning (potential) home run, and Martin goes out and cries about it. Brett gets ejected, the home run is disallowed, and the Yankees win.

But then the AL President (whose Dad, coincidentally, had once been a Yankees owner) basically said, "Look, the rule is poorly written and all it means is this, not that it's the same as a corked bat." In fact, the rule only called for the BAT to be removed from the game, no other penalty. So he applied that and the Yankees cried.

Of course, if they were actually concerned about pine tar on the bat, they could have said something earlier. They weren't; they were concerned about getting even with Brett and having a backup plan to win the game on a technicality.

It was the crooked referee in wrestling angle come to life in MLB.

As far as cheating, I'll tell you what an Alabama alum (who shall remain nameless) told me back during the Franchione days: "the top 60 CFB programs in America take whatever liberties they can with the rules and get away with them. And then they report their opponents for doing the same thing, hoping the scholarship reductions from probation slant the playing field in their direction. They're all dirty to the core."
I had a friend who was a year ahead of me that was a Freshman redshirt O lineman at Ole Miss. After the game we would go to the outside of the locker room when the games were in Jackson and he would get 300$ in an envelope. They were passing them out like it was no big deal.
 

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I had a friend who was a year ahead of me that was a Freshman redshirt O lineman at Ole Miss. After the game we would go to the outside of the locker room when the games were in Jackson and he would get 300$ in an envelope. They were passing them out like it was no big deal.
Similarly I was visiting with a relative back in 1980’s that was a booster at an SEC school. This was during the Christmas holidays. He got a call from a player that told him “he was home for the holidays and needed some cash and the head of the booster club gave him his number. He said you lived in the area and you would be happy to “take care” of me.”

My relative responded “Young man….I’m going to pretend this call never happened, suggest that you do the same, and never call me again.”

A few minutes later I heard a very heated exchange over the phone with the “head of the booster club” and my relative saying “don’t you ever put me in that situation again”.
 

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Things are moving very fast. NCAA on campus, FBI involved. The hammer is coming down very soon. All the proof has been handed to the NCAA on a silver platter. Years of legwork given to them in 1 week. The only key witness singing like a bird. Someone does not like Jim H. that is for sure.
 

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Things are moving very fast. NCAA on campus, FBI involved. The hammer is coming down very soon. All the proof has been handed to the NCAA on a silver platter. Years of legwork given to them in 1 week. The only key witness singing like a bird. Someone does not like Jim H. that is for sure.
It's probably the straight billed cap.
 

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l won't say everybody sends someone to spy on teams for signals.


But everybody plays fast and loose with the rules, too. It's like when Gene Hackman asked Tom Cruise (both lawyers in "The Firm") what the difference is between tax avoidance and tax evasion?

A. Whatever the IRS says; B. A smart lawyer; C. Ten years in prison; D. All of the above.”


That's the problem with the NZAA. They're the parent who says if you lie it's worse and then hammer you with "you admitted it."
 

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Still wondering who hired the private firm that turned in the evidence to the NZAA. An opposing team (coach), disgruntled fan (big booster of an opposing team), or ?
 

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Still wondering who hired the private firm that turned in the evidence to the NZAA. An opposing team (coach), disgruntled fan (big booster of an opposing team), or ?
My understanding is that the number of B1G teams that have forwarded information now counts in the "double-digits", so it's safe to assume almost every B1G team has turned in some evidence they believe indicates a violation of NCAA bylaws.
 

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Spoken like a true sign stealer!

That's the "we bad" thing to say, I suppose. So not surprised Deion would say something like that. But it is really only valid in one on one situations. When a defense knows it's a run off right tackle, they can slide another player over there, like so many defenses have done on Bama in the recent past. If they know it's a hot route to Brock Bowers, they'll jump the pass. And so on.
 

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I can see it now, the frustration of having to wait through an official timeout while a team to troubleshoots in-helmet audio! Just think of the revenue from extra commercials!!!
 

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