Alabama QBs in 2024

[RollTide_HTTR]

Jayden Daniels 2022 stats 2,913 yards, 68% completion, 17 Tds, 3 Ints, PFF passing grade 79.1, p2s 30.8, TT 2.94

Jalen Milroe 2023 stats 2,839 yards, 65.8% completion, 23 Tds, 6 Ints, PFF Passing grade 78.1, p2s 32.4, TT 3.44

I am not saying Milroe is Daniels or will make that same jump this year. But they are fairly similar QBs. The best throw for both is the deep ball, both avoid the MOF, both are quite mobile, both despite their mobility take a higher percentage of sacks than you would want, etc. Also both are later developing players (Daniels was still 1 years older than Milroe will be and was on his 5th year with significantly more game experience). Both are known for working hard/getting to the facility early.

Daniels' mechanics are much cleaner, he's probably a bit more elusive but is still mostly a north south runner and has a smaller frame than Milroe, and Milroe holds the ball a good bit longer than Daniels ever has. So, again I'm not saying they are the exact same player but I think there is a path for Milroe to improve and I think someone like Daniels can be looked at as a possible blueprint.

Apparently part of Daniels jump was helped by using VR to get reps while not on the field. I am very curious if we use the same technology for QBs.

I still think there is a 40ish % chance Ty wins this job and would not be remotely surprised if he does(also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't at this point). But I figured it'd be good to give an example of someone with some of the similar strengths and deficiencies that Milroe has growing into a great college QB.

Again, I am not saying they are exactly the same or that Milroe will definitely make a similar jump like Daniels. But with the doom and gloom around the idea of Milroe for some, I figured I'd at leas provide maybe a little bit of hope for them.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Jayden Daniels 2022 stats 2,913 yards, 68% completion, 17 Tds, 3 Ints, PFF passing grade 79.1, p2s 30.8, TT 2.94

Jalen Milroe 2023 stats 2,839 yards, 65.8% completion, 23 Tds, 6 Ints, PFF Passing grade 78.1, p2s 32.4, TT 3.44

I am not saying Milroe is Daniels or will make that same jump this year. But they are fairly similar QBs. The best throw for both is the deep ball, both avoid the MOF, both are quite mobile, both despite their mobility take a higher percentage of sacks than you would want, etc. Also both are later developing players (Daniels was still 1 years older than Milroe will be and was on his 5th year with significantly more game experience). Both are known for working hard/getting to the facility early. Daniels' mechanics are much cleaner, he's probably a bit more elusive but its still mostly a north south runner and has a smaller frame than Milroe. So, again I'm not saying they are the exact same player but I think there is a path for Milroe to improve and I think someone like Daniels can be looked at as a possible blueprint.

Apparently part of Daniels jump was helped by using VR to get reps while not on the field. I am very curious if we use the same technology for QBs.

I still think there is a 40ish % chance Ty wins this job and would not be remotely surprised if he does(also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't at this point). But I figured it'd be good to give an example of someone with some of the similar strengths and deficiencies that Milroe has growing into a great college QB.

Again, I am not saying they are exactly the same or that Milroe will definitely make a similar jump like Daniels. But with the doom and gloom around the idea of Milroe for some, I figured I'd at leas provide maybe a little bit of hope at least.

Let's hope he makes that type of jump. The only issue is, that some people have watched practices where JM has had the opportunity to show if he's improved in his areas of weakness from last season, and for the most part, the answer is "no". Granted, I guess that is someone's opinion and we could ask another person there and they could say they feel he has. So, no one actually knows at this stage.

But I agree with 81, the most frustrating thing for both TY and JM is they've now been on campus for three and four years and neither has improved enough to be where they should be at this stage of their careers.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Let's hope he makes that type of jump. The only issue is, that some people have watched practices where JM has had the opportunity to show if he's improved in his areas of weakness from last season, and for the most part, the answer is "no". Granted, I guess that is someone's opinion and we could ask another person there and they could say they feel he has. So, no one actually knows at this stage.

But I agree with 81, the most frustrating thing for both TY and JM is they've now been on campus for three and four years and neither has improved enough to be where they should be at this stage of their careers.

I don't expect that level of jump. I think its very unlikely. But even getting part of the way there would be big. We'll see what he looks like in fall when he is probably less focused on learning a completely new offensive system.

 

[colbysullivan]

I don't expect that level of jump. I think its very unlikely. But even getting part of the way there would be big. We'll see what he looks like in fall when he is probably less focused on learning a completely new offensive system.

I respect you for saying that. You are at least being realistic about it. Way too many people on social media keep referring back to Burrow and Daniels as proof that Milroe is going to improve. Nevermind the fact that those two guys are literally the biggest exceptions in the history of college football, with regard to improving from one season to the next. Most players are what they are by year 2-3. We have not seen any actual improvement from Milroe since last year. Believe me, I would LOVE to be wrong. I want 2020 2.0

 

[davefrat]

I respect you for saying that. You are at least being realistic about it. Way too many people on social media keep referring back to Burrow and Daniels as proof that Milroe is going to improve. Nevermind the fact that those two guys are literally the biggest exceptions in the history of college football, with regard to improving from one season to the next. Most players are what they are by year 2-3. We have not seen any actual improvement from Milroe since last year. Believe me, I would LOVE to be wrong. I want 2020 2.0

This is probably pretty accurate in the vast majority of situations, which raises the question that since both Milroe and Simpson are at or beyond that range at Bama, are they both basically what they are and will be going forward?

 

[CrimsonTitles]

This is probably pretty accurate in the vast majority of situations, which raises the question that since both Milroe and Simpson are at or beyond that range at Bama, are they both basically what they are and will be going forward?

It's hard to say that about Ty, because we haven't seen him in meaningful action in a real game yet. Sure, he played against USF, but something was off about the entire team that day, so we can just go ahead and throw that game out. Some players are better in real games than in practice, and he very well could be one of those guys. Also, a lot of Ty's problems are confidence-based, so I really do think that once he does get a shot, he's gonna blow everyone away by how good he is after he gets a few games of experience under his belt.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I respect you for saying that. You are at least being realistic about it. Way too many people on social media keep referring back to Burrow and Daniels as proof that Milroe is going to improve. Nevermind the fact that those two guys are literally the biggest exceptions in the history of college football, with regard to improving from one season to the next. Most players are what they are by year 2-3. We have not seen any actual improvement from Milroe since last year. Believe me, I would LOVE to be wrong. I want 2020 2.0

I actually don't think this part is true. There are more and more QBs who seem to be getting a lot better later in their careers. Penix, Nix and Daniels all in this draft class then there is Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, and Jared Goff. All guys who have gotten better either late in their college careers or after a few years in the NFL and that list seems to get longer every year. That's also just guys I can think of on the top of my head, I'm sure there are more.

One of the keys seems to be getting a great offensive coach who 1. helps them develop and 2. has a good scheme around them and works to their strengths. It appears that we may have just gotten that coach. We'll see how it works out for Ty and Milroe

 

[davefrat]

It's hard to say that about Ty, because we haven't seen him in meaningful action in a real game yet. Sure, he played against USF, but something was off about the entire team that day, so we can just go ahead and throw that game out. Some players are better in real games than in practice, and he very well could be one of those guys. Also, a lot of Ty's problems are confidence-based, so I really do think that once he does get a shot, he's gonna blow everyone away by how good he is after he gets a few games of experience under his belt.

Well, he better hurry up and take the bull by the horns because time is running short.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Well, he better hurry up and take the bull by the horns because time is running short.

Would’ve been nice if Mack had just came in and solved this problem by being better than both.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Would’ve been nice if Mack had just came in and solved this problem by being better than both.

Nah, this would still be an ongoing discussion...🙄

 

[colbysullivan]

Well, he better hurry up and take the bull by the horns because time is running short.

I mean, he outplayed Milroe at A-Day. What else is he supposed to do?

 

[Oregon Tide]

I mean, he outplayed Milroe at A-Day. What else is he supposed to do?

Well, as we've heard so many times that was a glorified scrimmage to drum up excitement for the fans. I have not watched but also heard JM had WR drops (hope that's fixed like last year) and Ty may have been playing mostly against 2s?

I trust the coaching staff to put the best players on the field until proven otherwise. I anticipate Ty can win QB1 by outplaying JM during the Spring, Summer and Fall camps.

 

[B1GTide]

Well, as we've heard so many times that was a glorified scrimmage to drum up excitement for the fans. I have not watched but also heard JM had WR drops (hope that's fixed like last year) and Ty may have been playing mostly against 2s?

I trust the coaching staff to put the best players on the field until proven otherwise. I anticipate Ty can win QB1 by outplaying JM during the Spring, Summer and Fall camps.

This was not a typical spring game. It barely took the fans into consideration. This was a real practice scrimmage. The coaches learned a great deal from the film, guaranteed. A lot more than they would have from a typical spring game.

Unfortunately a lot of what they might have learned in the second half was ruined by receiver drops, which stalled almost every drive before they could get started.

I think that Ty played better, but I am not sure because so many of Milroe's passes were flat dropped - some of those passes being exactly the type of pass which he struggled to complete (or even throw) last season.

 

[Oregon Tide]

This was not a typical spring game. It barely took the fans into consideration. This was a real practice scrimmage. The coaches learned a great deal from the film, guaranteed. A lot more than they would have from a typical spring game.

That's right - thank you for the reminder. I would not say the fans were out of consideration per say, but I get your point. Also sounds like neither QB separated themselves again which is what I've read.

I think that Ty played better, but I am not sure because so many of Milroe's passes were flat dropped

The team is turning on Milroe!

 

[CrimsonTitles]

That's right - thank you for the reminder. I would not say the fans were out of consideration per say, but I get your point. Also sounds like neither QB separated themselves again which is what I've read.

Everyone keeps saying that, but what exactly is it gonna take for Ty to separate himself? I thought Ty looked slightly better in last year's A day, and with a broken throwing thumb to boot. Word was that he looked slightly better in a lot of the scrimmages last year. He also looked slightly better during this year's A Day, and some have said significantly better during the final scrimmage before A Day. Simpson has looked slightly better than Milroe just about every time they've had a scrimmage or A Day, but apparently simply being slightly better is not enough, even if it happens every time. What's it gonna take for this man to get his shot? Because it seems like he's held to a much higher standard than Milroe is.

 

[colbysullivan]

Everyone keeps saying that, but what exactly is it gonna take for Ty to separate himself? I thought Ty looked slightly better in last year's A day, and with a broken throwing thumb to boot. Word was that he looked slightly better in a lot of the scrimmages last year. He also looked slightly better during this year's A Day, and some have said significantly better during the final scrimmage before A Day. Simpson has looked slightly better than Milroe just about every time they've had a scrimmage or A Day, but apparently simply being slightly better is not enough, even if it happens every time. What's it gonna take for this man to get his shot? Because it seems like he's held to a much higher standard than Milroe is.

The team likes Milroe, simple as that.

 

[Cruloc]

Everyone keeps saying that, but what exactly is it gonna take for Ty to separate himself? I thought Ty looked slightly better in last year's A day, and with a broken throwing thumb to boot. Word was that he looked slightly better in a lot of the scrimmages last year. He also looked slightly better during this year's A Day, and some have said significantly better during the final scrimmage before A Day. Simpson has looked slightly better than Milroe just about every time they've had a scrimmage or A Day, but apparently simply being slightly better is not enough, even if it happens every time. What's it gonna take for this man to get his shot? Because it seems like he's held to a much higher standard than Milroe is.

Saban told us last year....the team chose Milroe. Hopefully that kind of thing gets thrown out now and we go with whomstever is best.

 

[davefrat]

Saban told us last year....the team chose Milroe. Hopefully that kind of thing gets thrown out now and we go with whomstever is best.

Did Saban actually say that?

That Milroe was the starter because the team chose him and not the coaches?

 

[westide]

The the other guys got their shot, but is was clear after the South Florida game that Milroe was the best option. This is a new year. The QB that gives us the best chance to win should start. It shouldn't come down to a popularity test.

 

[81usaf92]

Again, I am not saying they are exactly the same or that Milroe will definitely make a similar jump like Daniels. But with the doom and gloom around the idea of Milroe for some, I figured I'd at leas provide maybe a little bit of hope for them.

My biggest issue with Milroe is his fans that believe that he is clearly the best quarterback on staff and use stupid metrics like Heisman voting and stats that really don’t tell a good quarterback from a Mickey Mouser.

But my biggest concern with Milroe isn’t his ability to read defenses it’s the thought that he may believe he doesn’t have to. I’ve seen Milroe in 5 closed to the public scrimmages and each time Milroe is the exact same guy as he was at the previous ones. He constantly has the worst day and he looks like a freshman trying to be a college quarterback. Granted there are bad practice guys who wake up for the game but it’s very rare. I just get the impression that the Milroe that is talking about Heismans after escaping a horrible Auburn team, the Milroe shooting off his mouth and throwing his helmet in Pasadena, and the Milroe having horrible body language during A day is the real Milroe based on his lack of improvement over 3 years. I think @B1GTide hit it on the head after the Rose Bowl in that the more you hear and see him the more you get the feeling that he believes that he has arrived and buys into his press.

This is not to suggest that Milroe is a bad quarterback or that Ty and the others are better options, but I’m getting the feeling that Milroe is far more Kelly Bryant than Jayden Daniels. If I’m wrong then I would be happy because it would be a great story but based on what has actually been revealed I don’t see the fall being much different at this point.

Just FWIW… This was the first time Ty actually looked great to me. So before someone calls me a Ty fan I’m far from an advocate or supporter of team Ty.

This is a new year. The QB that gives us the best chance to win should start. It shouldn't come down to a popularity test.

I think CKD will chose the best distributor of the short and intermediate passes. I really think his goal was to survive the spring and deal with the roster in the fall. I think it’s clear that it will either be Milroe or Simpson at this point.