Milroe's accuracy

[JDCrimson]

I havent heard anyone suggest that players were throwing games. But what you have read here about LANK is mostly true.

Simply, put we mismanaged the transition to NIL era under Saban. In the vacuum, a player led collective took hold of the lockerroom centered around a clique of players, not necessarily the best players, either. And those players excercised their influence on the staff and roster.
The same very thing happened in softball. Our AD was naive into not thinking the NIL would not spill into the lockerroom and influence playing decisions.

In the absence of leadership, leadership will step forward, it just may not be the leadership you want.

Completely agree. Milroe has not played to well the last few weeks, though I honestly thought he was fine in the Vandy game. I just get frustrated by people on this board hijacking every thread and turning it into a Milroe discussion and throwing out conspiracy theories about LANK or the team intentionally throwing games. Obviously, I have the choice to not participate in those discussions, and I won't, but it is nonetheless frustrating for a board that I have always found to be above that kind of rhetoric.

 

[81usaf92]

And that is awesome. Everyone here was pulling for him while he was on the field. Since it is very clear that he will be the starter for the remainder of the season, we will all be pulling for him.

It is possible to pull for him while also recognizing his weaknesses.

Roll Tide

I think there is a large contingent of Alabama fans who believe any criticism whatsoever is out of line and should be attacked 10x worse than the actual criticism that was posted. They almost become a fan police in a way.

Granted in terms of the Milroe criticism there have been several instances where the criticism has gone far over the line, but also some of the praise has become way too much “in your face” and over the line.

The truth is that Milroe is a highly talented athlete that has several strengths and several flaws at playing quarterback. I would say he is an “incomplete” project that might have been far better and more refined in a different system

Yeah agreed. I don't think B1G has really done this at all but there is a massive difference between criticizing his on the field play and attacking his character based on almost no evidence because you don't like his play on the field.

Again I don't think B1G falls into that category though.

Well there kinda is some questions about his character that many just dismiss as a kid being a kid. But the trash talk, look at me, and body language is clearly there. Whether you choose to accept that as a part of his game is up to you but it is there… front and center.

Granted AJ and Mac were some of the biggest trash talkers ever, but you never saw or heard of them disrespecting an opponent on their schedule or pouting on the sidelines when the game was on the line. Maybe we aren’t getting the full context for the latter but it’s pretty concerning for someone who has been quoted more than once as to saying “I’m big on body language”.

IDK whether Milroe represents the new normal of the college football player in how they carry themselves but what I do know is that he IS different in how he carries himself as a leader of the offense that we have been accustomed to since 2009 and many of us just need time to get used to it. Whether his LANK brand is cancerous in the locker room or he is a weak leader are debatable points as long as they are grounded within facts (which do exist both ways). I just think Milroe is probably the most controversial and complex player in Alabama history unless he wins a title, and the way he carries himself along with his consistency of play has made it that way.

I hope we win a title this year and Milroe gets to ride away in the sunset with a high draft grade. But if we play like we have these past month on offense on the backend then it’s going to probably be a bumpy finish.

 

[RammerJammer14]

I havent heard anyone suggest that players were throwing games. But what you have read here about LANK is mostly true.

Simply, put we mismanaged the transition to NIL era under Saban. In the vacuum, a player led collective took hold of the lockerroom centered around a clique of players, not necessarily the best players, either. And those players excercised their influence on the staff and roster.
The same very thing happened in softball. Our AD was naive into not thinking the NIL would not spill into the lockerroom and influence playing decisions.

In the absence of leadership, leadership will step forward, it just may not be the leadership you want.

What happened with the softball team? I’m now dying to know about the money in softball, lol.

 

[CrimSonami]

Barring injury an unimaginably horrendous performance, he’s the starter for the balance of the season.

People can be as happy or unhappy about that as they want, but it’s not going to change anything.

True. And the vast majority of us have zero expectations of affecting coaches decisions. But the glaring issues, regardless of the root cause(s), along with continued erratic performance and outcomes are concerning to Bama fans refusing to accept mediocrity. Speculation abounds when lack of execution becomes a pattern. It’s not the losing, in general, we’re concerned with. It’s the way we’re losing, who we’re losing to and the obvious lack of discipline that IS NOT the standard to which we’ve come to expect. These are questions I have.
Are these issues a transitional byproduct?
Will this coach and staff adapt to the SEC?
Does this staff yet understand the Bama culture?
Are the inmates running the asylum?
Is this lineup truly the best we have?
So, I can, and will, question what is going on with MY TEAM. I’ve supported this university with apparel purchases and peripheral items my entire adult life. I’ve occasionally purchased tickets and attended games. I buy Bama license plates for my vehicles. I give Bama gifts at appropriate occasions. I receive Bama items most every appropriate occasions. I DO NOT directly contribute to any NIL fund. I DO NOT like how that and the TP have degraded the game.

So, I WILL express my concerns, opinion, dissatisfaction, praise, frustration, etc. IMO I’ve earned that right even though I am what some consider as a “sidewalk alumni” fan.

ROLL DAMN TIDE!!!

 

[BamaMoon]

Zero question Milroe missed a LOT of passes today. From the stands, on one long scramble he looked to have a TD if he threw it instead of running. Seeing those WRs WIDE OPEN play after play but not getting throws (inaccurate or not at all) is depressing.

Overall Bama looked better for the most part (def in the second half), but unless / until JM hits those wide-open throws with catchable balls, Bama's ceiling is limited.

It is what it is.

I'm always amazed when I attend a game in person how much space there is for a defense to defend in relation to the field space.

And one thing I'm always amazed at is how easy it looks like it should be for the offense to manipulate all that open space, especially in the passing game.

To be fair, every QB will miss an open receiver, but it's unbelievable how many receivers JM misses every game. It should be unacceptable, but for some reason, because of his ability to run and improvise, we have accepted it's worth it.

And sometimes when our wide receivers are wide open AND JM sees them, he is so inaccurate he can't even deliver a catchable ball in their vicinity.

The combo of his misses and his inaccuracy will drive you crazy if you appreciate excellent QB play.

Call me crazy!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Zero question Milroe missed a LOT of passes today. From the stands, on one long scramble he looked to have a TD if he threw it instead of running. Seeing those WRs WIDE OPEN play after play but not getting throws (inaccurate or not at all) is depressing.

Overall Bama looked better for the most part (def in the second half), but unless / until JM hits those wide-open throws with catchable balls, Bama's ceiling is limited.

It is what it is.

That'll change next season when CKD is able to install his offense. He's having to do what Rees did last season and put together a piece mill offense for Milroe because he can't function within the regular offense.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

There's always going to be a few misses. I'm more concerned with his completion percentage drop-off. Maybe he's being rushed more. No clue.

Him missing wide open receivers are holding back the offense. You do realize that, don't you? He hits those the offense gets into a rhythm and his completion % goes up. The problem is he's field blind.

 

[BamaMoon]

I think there is a large contingent of Alabama fans who believe any criticism whatsoever is out of line and should be attacked 10x worse than the actual criticism that was posted. They almost become a fan police in a way.

Granted in terms of the Milroe criticism there have been several instances where the criticism has gone far over the line, but also some of the praise has become way too much “in your face” and over the line.

The truth is that Milroe is a highly talented athlete that has several strengths and several flaws at playing quarterback. I would say he is an “incomplete” project that might have been far better and more refined in a different system


Well there kinda is some questions about his character that many just dismiss as a kid being a kid. But the trash talk, look at me, and body language is clearly there. Whether you choose to accept that as a part of his game is up to you but it is there… front and center.

Granted AJ and Mac were some of the biggest trash talkers ever, but you never saw or heard of them disrespecting an opponent on their schedule or pouting on the sidelines when the game was on the line. Maybe we aren’t getting the full context for the latter but it’s pretty concerning for someone who has been quoted more than once as to saying “I’m big on body language”.

IDK whether Milroe represents the new normal of the college football player in how they carry themselves but what I do know is that he IS different in how he carries himself as a leader of the offense that we have been accustomed to since 2009 and many of us just need time to get used to it. Whether his LANK brand is cancerous in the locker room or he is a weak leader are debatable points as long as they are grounded within facts (which do exist both ways). I just think Milroe is probably the most controversial and complex player in Alabama history unless he wins a title, and the way he carries himself along with his consistency of play has made it that way.

I hope we win a title this year and Milroe gets to ride away in the sunset with a high draft grade. But if we play like we have these past month on offense on the backend then it’s going to probably be a bumpy finish.

Unless something drastically changes (and a bunch of other teams implode) we probably aren't winning any kind of title. I think this is a flawed team. And because they are so flawed (just like last year's team) I'm afraid getting a chance to compete for a title would hurt the future more than help it.

Now, that could change in the next few games and, if so, JM will have to lead that change. Despite my critiques of him, I"'m rooting for this team to succeed.

As for JM's future, I hope his game is strong for the rest of the year. I think it's best for him and the future Bama program for him to play well enough to get drafted.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

So, if even the coaches admit that his footwork is bad and his timing is bad… why is he the starter? After 3 years playing at this level, I doubt there is going to be much improvement. Are the backups, even Ty, that much worse or is it locker room dynamics?

I guess the backups aren’t any better because, I want to believe that the coaches will start the QB that gives us the best chance to win.

 

[BamaMoon]

So, if even the coaches admit that his footwork is bad and his timing is bad… why is he the starter? After 3 years playing at this level, I doubt there is going to be much improvement. Are the backups, even Ty, that much worse or is it locker room dynamics?

I guess the backups aren’t any better because, I want to believe that the coaches will start the QB that gives us the best chance to win.

The new thing in college football is making teams defend the dual threat nature of a QB. And the hardest thing to defend is a QB with wheels like JM's.

I don't have a problem with JM being a running QB. My problem is he doesn't understand that's who he is and the only reason, even with his current mechanical/footwork issues, that he'll ever be a good QB.

But it seems CKD has chosen to ride this season with JM.

I've seen a couple of people suggest the reason, at this point, we aren't seeing more of Simpson is CKD may be fearful that if TS plays and throws the ball noticeably better than JM it'll create a huge internal/fan mess!

 

[dvldog]

That'll change next season when CKD is able to install his offense. He's having to do what Rees did last season and put together a piece mill offense for Milroe because he can't function within the regular offense.

Apparently that’s the case. For the life of me I can’t figure out why.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Apparently that’s the case. For the life of me I can’t figure out why.

Because he struggles consistently throwing with anticipation which is crucial in CkD's offense. He also struggles with pre and post snap reads. Combine that and you know why two different HC's and OC's have had to scare back the offense.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

So, if even the coaches admit that his footwork is bad and his timing is bad… why is he the starter? After 3 years playing at this level, I doubt there is going to be much improvement. Are the backups, even Ty, that much worse or is it locker room dynamics?

I guess the backups aren’t any better because, I want to believe that the coaches will start the QB that gives us the best chance to win.

JessN said there are lockerroom issues. He just didn't say what type. I also know (for a fact) there are locker room issues but am not able to go any further than that.

 

[RammerJammer14]

The new thing in college football is making teams defend the dual threat nature of a QB. And the hardest thing to defend is a QB with wheels like JM's.

I don't have a problem with JM being a running QB. My problem is he doesn't understand that's who he is and the only reason, even with his current mechanical/footwork issues, that he'll ever be a good QB.

But it seems CKD has chosen to ride this season with JM.

I've seen a couple of people suggest the reason, at this point, we aren't seeing more of Simpson is CKD may be fearful that if TS plays and throws the ball noticeably better than JM it'll create a huge internal/fan mess!

It’s not his running that keeps him as a starter. Ty has some amazing wheels. He is not starting because he is the only guy on the roster who provides a dual threat ability at QB. It’s something else.

 

[TD7]

It’s not his running that keeps him as a starter. Ty has some amazing wheels. He is not starting because he is the only guy on the roster who provides a dual threat ability at QB. It’s something else.

I completely agree. There is a lot going on behind the scenes, and people like JessN and other insiders from other Bama boards are all practically saying the same thing about issues going on in the locker room. I firmly believe that's why we have not seen Ty get any sort of an opportunity at all.

 

[davefrat]

True. And the vast majority of us have zero expectations of affecting coaches decisions. But the glaring issues, regardless of the root cause(s), along with continued erratic performance and outcomes are concerning to Bama fans refusing to accept mediocrity. Speculation abounds when lack of execution becomes a pattern. It’s not the losing, in general, we’re concerned with. It’s the way we’re losing, who we’re losing to and the obvious lack of discipline that IS NOT the standard to which we’ve come to expect. These are questions I have.
Are these issues a transitional byproduct?
Will this coach and staff adapt to the SEC?
Does this staff yet understand the Bama culture?
Are the inmates running the asylum?
Is this lineup truly the best we have?
So, I can, and will, question what is going on with MY TEAM. I’ve supported this university with apparel purchases and peripheral items my entire adult life. I’ve occasionally purchased tickets and attended games. I buy Bama license plates for my vehicles. I give Bama gifts at appropriate occasions. I receive Bama items most every appropriate occasions. I DO NOT directly contribute to any NIL fund. I DO NOT like how that and the TP have degraded the game.

So, I WILL express my concerns, opinion, dissatisfaction, praise, frustration, etc. IMO I’ve earned that right even though I am what some consider as a “sidewalk alumni” fan.

ROLL DAMN TIDE!!!

Is someone telling you you can’t question or express concerns?

 

[CrimSonami]

Is someone telling you you can’t question or express concerns?

No. And although I quoted your post it wasn’t directed to you individually. I apologize for not being clear about that.
There are those that consider yesterday’s win a pass on the continuation of the issues that this team has. I don’t and won’t do that.

 

[davefrat]

No. And although I quoted your post it wasn’t directed to you individually. I apologize for not being clear about that.
There are those that consider yesterday’s win a pass on the continuation of the issues that this team has. I don’t and won’t do that.

No worries.

 

[Bill from NYC]

The only thing he does consistently is take a sack at the worst time.

No, now let's be fair.

He also misses wide open receivers on a consistent basis.

 

[Bill from NYC]

He is the QB for Alabama football now.