What if the SEC decides to finish off the ACC?

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I'm sitting here contemplating the potential fallout if the ACC gets 2.5 (including Notre Dame) teams in the playoff and the SEC only gets 3. I don't think the SEC would do anything rash, but remember how FSU responded to being left out of the playoff? They threw a giant fit and then publicly attempted to leave the ACC. This might not change long term ambitions, but it could speed up things that were already being contemplated.

I don't like the playoffs, but they are a cash cow. They are bringing in over a billion a year. That's a lot of money and it's being distributed in some weird ways. For instance over 100 million goes to the so called group of 5. Why is that? For the privilege of including one charity case a year? It's not worth paying 100 million dollars to watch Boise State.

Of the teams in the playoffs, there's only one non-SEC or Big 10 team anyone actually cares about. Notre Dame. The rest? You can remove them from the list and the legitimacy and ratings won't change in a meaningful way. People are going to tune in to watch SEC and Big 10 teams play.

In fact, those two conferences have cherry picked all of college football to the point that I can only think of 4 nationally relevant football brands left outside of those conferences. Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson and Miami. That's it, the rest of college football is darn near irrelevant. I actually tried to come up with a third conference to rival the SEC and Big 10 by combining the top programs in other conferences and after those 4 the list turned to crap.

Part of the problem is despite the huge revenue being brought in by the playoff, it's still being distributed to garbage conferences. Sure the SEC and Big 10 get around 20 million per school, but the Big 12 still gets 12 million per school and the ACC gets 13. Why? The Big 12 is getting almost 200 million dollars to give the playoff Arizona State?

I've never really wanted the SEC to just start stacking football powers, and this year we saw the downside of it. If Alabama had played North Carolina or Miss. State instead of Oklahoma they'd be playing a home playoff game. But we're here now, so why turn back?

If the SEC and the Big 10 form their own playoff, they won't have to share money with programs no one actually cares about. The issue of course is there are a few left, but why not just take them and be done with it?

The SEC is in a unique position to raid the ACC. Both due to geographic local and the fact that both conferences share a deal with ESPN. If for instance FSU were to raise funds and propose a buyout, then the SEC could encourage ESPN's help in negotiating. While the ACC would be getting the short end of the stick, at least they'd get a windfall like the remaining Pac-12 schools got rather than eventually meeting the same fate without any recompense.

I'm not sure which teams should go where, I honestly wouldn't like the SEC to take all the football powers, but I imagine first picks might be something like FSU to the SEC and Notre Dame to the Big 10. From there, I think North Carolina and Miami probably find a landing spot, with Clemson and Virginia trying to find a lifeboat as well. I'm honestly not sure it really matters after those schools, there wouldn't be much of value left.

If this were to happen, the SEC and the Big 10 (with a combined 38-40 programs) would be able to form their own playoff. They could stick to the 12 team format, perhaps doing 6 teams from each conference.

They'd have removed the riffraff and have a very handsome payout in the process. If for instance this playoff were worth a less valuable 1 billion a year, that's still at least 25 million per school.

I'm not saying this should happen, or would happen... but these are the sort of forces at work here. Right now the SEC and Big 10, despite a monster share of the market when it comes to ratings and football powers are still playing nice with the conferences whom they have already taken the best teams from.

What happens when they truly decide to consolidate power?
 
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Again..... Smaller conferences better be careful what they wish for. They've literally created a system that guarantees that a group of 5 champion along with the ACC and Big 12 champions (which are basically no better than group of 5 at this point after the realignment )and guaranteed to get in with a chance. Now they want 2.5 teams in?

ACC teams play literally weaker schedules than some group of 5 schools.... I.E. SMU having 75th strength of schedule in a world where there are 64 teams in the power 4. BTW Notre Dame is ranked like 58th of 64. Alabama 17th.

I'd think it's worse to see a race to the bottom for teams to get the weakest schedules.... Effectively hurting the regular season all together.... I always felt that was a problem with these super conferences to begin with
 

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  1. Would you add an additional division in each conference and expand to more teams?
  2. If so who would you add?
  3. Play every team in your division every year plus additional schedules set every year by league office based on previous finish (like NFL)
  4. No playing teams outside of the 2 conferences except preseason - don’t count towards league standings
  5. Playoffs are 6 or 8 division winners, depending on answer to question 1 above, plus 4 or 6 wild cards based only on records and tie breakers.
  6. 12 team seeded playoff or 2 six team brackets to determine SEC & B1G?
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  1. Would you add an additional division in each conference and expand to more teams?
  2. If so who would you add?
  3. Play every team in your division every year plus additional schedules set every year by league office based on previous finish (like NFL)
  4. No playing teams outside of the 2 conferences except preseason - don’t count towards league standings
  5. Playoffs are 6 or 8 division winners, depending on answer to question 1 above, plus 4 or 6 wild cards based only on records and tie breakers.
  6. 12 team seeded playoff or 2 six team brackets to determine SEC & B1G?
Might as well keep this off season thread rolling 😎

@KrAzY3 - what say you?

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Alabama would win that division every year
 
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Do we even need North Carolina to come to the SEC now that Alabama has 3-0 streak against them? Seems the value of the teams in the ACC is falling across all sports...
 

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Do we even need North Carolina to come to the SEC now that Alabama has 3-0 streak against them? Seems the value of the teams in the ACC is falling across all sports...
They need us on the schedule to bolster the ooc to make them look like a tourney team at the end of the year in hoops. Man, that felt good saying that. RTR
 
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KrAzY3

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Rules & questions
  1. Would you add an additional division in each conference and expand to more teams?
  2. If so who would you add?
  3. Play every team in your division every year plus additional schedules set every year by league office based on previous finish (like NFL)
  4. No playing teams outside of the 2 conferences except preseason - don’t count towards league standings
  5. Playoffs are 6 or 8 division winners, depending on answer to question 1 above, plus 4 or 6 wild cards based only on records and tie breakers.
  6. 12 team seeded playoff or 2 six team brackets to determine SEC & B1G?
Might as well keep this off season thread rolling 😎

@KrAzY3 - what say you?

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B1GUCLAMichiganPenn St
USCOhio StateIndiana
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WashingtonWisconsinPurdue
MinnesotaNorthwesternRutgers
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MissouriOle MissSouth Carolina
Texas A&MMiss StateFlorida
ArkansasVandyClemson
LSUKentuckyFlorida State
Pretty good breakdown. Usually I would counter with something about wanting to preserve tradition, the polls, etc... but the committee and this playoff has wrecked things so significantly (and given some teams such an undeserving enormous advantage) that I can't really come up with a Big 10/SEC playoff that could possibly be worse.

As to your specific questions.
1: I could see room for modest geographical expansion. But, there are really so few locations worthy of consideration. If we're talking about geographic locations, I could see Arizona, North Carolina, Syracuse and Virginia. That's it as far as any geographic considerations. Of teams not on your list in terms of a football power, you got them all right? There's no one worth a darn left.

4: I think this is interesting, and the only way to pull this off properly is probably to break away completely anyway. Form the College Football League or something, so you can't really play outside unless it's exhibition anyway. I kind of hate breaking away completely but not sure there's another way since the other programs basically insist on sabotage and being leeches.

6: I think the idea of 6 SEC teams playing each other in a playoff and the meeting the winner of the Big 10 playoff is really clean. The issue I have with it is I'm reminded of issues the NBA has with a sometimes dominant Western conference and teams with losing records getting into the Eastern conference (all those LeBron finals in the East, getting there by playing crap teams). I think you still have to go 6 and 6, the Big 10 is going to want equal seats at the table, but if you go human seeded 12 team playoff you avoid some instant rematches (get some fun Big 10 vs SEC action) and preserve some of the human element.

Very good post, I (going to blame the committee for this one) had a headache so I was a bit late in replying.

Do we even need North Carolina to come to the SEC now that Alabama has 3-0 streak against them? Seems the value of the teams in the ACC is falling across all sports...
I'm not sure I'd use the word need. They're just a known brand in a large state, making them the most valuable of the geographical targets. If the SEC and the Big 10 did break off completely and form their college football league, there would be some parts of the US without a school, North Carolina is a big college state with a large population so I'd still consider them on that basis. But looking at Snuffy's list, I'm only thinking of may be 4 more additions at most.

It needs to happen.

The Big Ten and SEC needs to add a few more teams and then separate from the rest of the ncaa.
I hate it because I really love tradition. I love the bowl games, I even love the poll system despite its flaws (Alabama is in if they were used instead of the committee). But, I guess it really all has to go in a trash heap to avoid what ever this abomination we have now is.

There's something I think the SEC needs to work on immediately though. Get the Big 12 off the committee! We have this atomic bomb they can drop on college football, and really it's not much of a stretch. The only ACC teams that wouldn't jump ship to the SEC are ones that want to join the Big 10 instead.

The issue is the committee and the playoff itself is infested with the participation trophy crowd because of it's makeup. It has equal representation from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 and ACC. Let's play nice with the ACC for a bit, what ever but get the Big 12 out of there. This is as big a joke as when the Big East still has an auto-BCS bowl after all their good team's left.

There is already a group of what ever payout and representative. Get the Big 12 out of there, now! Get rid of their payout now, drop their automatic bid and then go from there.
 
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I hate it because I really love tradition. I love the bowl games, I even love the poll system despite its flaws (Alabama is in if they were used instead of the committee). But, I guess it really all has to go in a trash heap to avoid what ever this abomination we have now is.

There's something I think the SEC needs to work on immediately though. Get the Big 12 off the committee! We have this atomic bomb they can drop on college football, and really it's not much of a stretch. The only ACC teams that wouldn't jump ship to the SEC are ones that want to join the Big 10 instead.

The issue is the committee and the playoff itself is infested with the participation trophy crowd because of it's makeup. It has equal representation from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 and ACC. Let's play nice with the ACC for a bit, what ever but get the Big 12 out of there. This is as big a joke as when the Big East still has an auto-BCS bowl after all their good team's left.

There is already a group of what ever payout and representative. Get the Big 12 out of there, now! Get rid of their payout now, drop their automatic bid and then go from there.
The Big Ten/SEC simply need to raid what's best of the ACC and Big 12 to knee cap them going forward. There will be lawsuits if they attempt to kick them out of the current structure. The BigTen/SEC need to raid, then exit the ncaa entirely.

Notre Dame can join one or the other or be left behind.

Frankly I do not care which teams go where because it is going to be the same league in the end, much like the AFL merging into the NFL.

Get whatever teams you want; Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Miami. Any Big 12 teams worth getting? Get them. The Big Ten seems fond of the Pacific so let them get the Arizona schools, Colorado, Utah. Let the SEC have the ACC teams. Like I said, Notre Dame can join or become irrelevant.

What I can say with certainty is that this, what we have now, SUCKS. I don't care if Boise State or any Big 12 team is included. I don't care about SMU winning 11 games against a schedule ranked 70th. I went to bed Saturday night at halftime of the ACC championship even though it was to impact Alabama's standing so strongly because I DO NOT CARE about almost any of those teams but especially SMU!
 

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The Big Ten/SEC simply need to raid what's best of the ACC and Big 12 to knee cap them going forward. There will be lawsuits if they attempt to kick them out of the current structure. The BigTen/SEC need to raid, then exit the ncaa entirely
I do think that's the end game, but there's also a bit of consolidation of power that's probably required. The main issue if the SEC and the Big 10 have all the guns now, but they have yet to put on a show of force. Even the playoff is rigged in such a way that it will obscure their dominance.

So, even if we're dealing with an eventual departure, there's a real cost associated with letting the Big 12 and the ACC run the show, which is basically what's happening right now. The group of charity cases has aligned with them and basically said hey SoS doesn't count and there isn't enough representation in there to stop that.

This then makes the SEC in particular look weaker than it actually is, and even the eventual destruction of teams like Duke in a bowl game (unless Ole Miss is too bored to show up) won't change that. So, I do think they have to press to mitigate the influence over the committee and ultimately the process. If it's not removing the Big 12 as a "power" conference then it should be establishing the SEC and Big 10 as super conferences with increased representation. But, plotting and scheming until 2036 won't work...

Any Big 12 teams worth getting? Get them. The Big Ten seems fond of the Pacific so let them get the Arizona schools, Colorado, Utah.
That's part of the issue, the only school out there that might be worth the ground it sits on is Arizona. The rest are small schools featuring nationally irrelevant brands (Sanders has been hyped but so has the WNBA). This is also the issue going forward. You can't completely kill off the other so called power conferences, they will just consolidate. All you can do is take the only brands worth a darn and move on.
 
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some of you keep forgetting that other sports exist. so you want to breakaway from the rest. What happens to the other sports? Does our new super conference have just SEC and B1G basketball tournaments?
 

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I do think that's the end game, but there's also a bit of consolidation of power that's probably required. The main issue if the SEC and the Big 10 have all the guns now, but they have yet to put on a show of force. Even the playoff is rigged in such a way that it will obscure their dominance.
There will be doubt after the smoke clears from this "tournament" who the two dominant conferences are.
 
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