Grubb to be next OC at Bama per ESPN

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We'll never know for sure because Sheridan will not get the chance to call plays with next year's QB. So this debate will just remain in the realm of speculation and opinion.
It’s a known fact to 99% of observers Sheridan is no capable OC. There’s a reason he was the backup plan, and DeBoer went back to Grubb as soon as the opportunity presented itself again.

So, we certainly know which side of the fence DeBoer is on.
 
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Hell if Sheridan is so great guys, and it was 100% Milroe, why is DeBoer going BACK to Grubb again?

We didn’t have an OC - play caller position open…
As I said previously, when you have a chance to go get the best, you gotta do it. I don't think anybody is saying it's 100% Milroe. More like 70% Milroe.

And the fact that the OC job wasn't open, kind of proves that this was more of a move to grab Grubb than it was to get rid of Sheridan as playcaller. Notice he didn't try to hire anyone else, only Grubb. Had Grubb not been available, Sheridan would be our playcaller next season, so this is not an indictment of Sheridan at all.
 

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From what I’ve seen, just about anyone would be an upgrade from Sheridan. Go study his history before Bama if you haven’t already.
You mean his two years at Indiana, one of which was pretty decent, considering he was at Indiana. The year he got fired was also the year that Penix was hurt most of the time and abysmal when he wasn't. Penix was far worse that season than Milroe has ever been. It's also Indiana, so the talent he had to work with was minimal. There are so many reasons why that is a terrible indicator of what Sheridan can do. In reality, the jury is still out on Sheridan as a playcaller.
 
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I think Sheridan was in over his head. I don't think he's necessarily a bad coach, I just think he lacks the experience and knowledge to make chicken salad out of...what we had last year.

But, guess what? He has an excellent opportunity to gain a little of both by studying what Grubb does with the offense.

Granted, it's going to be a different (more varied) offense with a new QB at the helm, but Sheridan can still bank some valuable knowledge if he will watch and listen and soak it up. He's young. He has many years of coaching ahead. Given time, he may be a very good OC. This is an excellent opportunity for him to learn and grow.

I tend to blame him less than others here for our offensive struggles last year simply because in the last 2 years we've had 2 different staffs with 2 different offensive philosophies, yet the output has been roughly the same. The good news is that the "common denominator" is now gone.
 
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I'm hoping Huff is come also, even if someone has to be let go. Alabama offensive lines have been underachieving for quite a long time. respected players come to Alabama and somehow never live up to their billing. MacLaughlin is a recent example. Once away form Tuscaloosa, he blossomed and won the award for his position.

I was watching on old Start Trek Next Generation episode last night ("Thine Own Self," Season 7 Episode 16). Counsellor Troi wants to become a bridge officer (trained and capable of exercising command). She keep failing the engineering exam until she realizes that the only way to pass is to order a member of the crew to undertake repairs that will fix the ship but cause the crewmember to receive a fatal dose of radiation. To be a commander, you have to be willing to sacrifice and to order the sacrifice of some crew members. That is part of what it means to be an executive.

I hope a change of position coaching will cause Alabama offensive linemen to play up to their potential.
I didn't have a Star Trek Next Generation analogy on my bingo card today...:oops:
 
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Once again, not talking about end of season OVERALL numbers. Talking about game by game, from a consistency standpoint.

It’s literally the reason we lost 3 games at least, and could argue 4.

Outputs of 3, 17, and 13 in losing efforts.


Sure games like Georgia and LSU help offset the OVERALL averages.

There is no argument whatsoever that Sheridan is a decent coordinator. The evidence is to the contrary. It really doesn’t make sense you guys going out of the way to defend him.

He’s terrible, and always has been as a play caller.
And in those same games, it just so happened that Milroe had his worst games of the season. So was that Sheridan's fault as well?

So Milroe not seeing open receivers, throwing picks in the endzone and throwing pick sixes and overall screwing the pooch on basic pass patterns is Sheridan's fault? Give me a frickin break. :rolleyes:
 

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And in those same games, it just so happened that Milroe had his worst games of the season. So was that Sheridan's fault as well?

So Milroe not seeing open receivers, throwing picks in the endzone and throwing pick sixes and overall screwing the pooch on basic pass patterns is Sheridan's fault? Give me a break. :rolleyes:
It's simple! On plays he threw interceptions we should have ran the ball! On plays where we ran the ball and got stuffed, we should have thrown the ball. On plays where he just dropped the snap and handed it over to the defense, we should have punted on first down!

Some of y'all make this game way more complicated than it should be!
 

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Hell if Sheridan is so great guys, and it was 100% Milroe, why is DeBoer going BACK to Grubb again?

We didn’t have an OC - play caller position open…
If Sheridan was as bad as you say, why was CKD seemingly ok keeping him as the playcaller. There were other OCs who were on the market and we made no moves until Grubb came up. I mean if he was really that bad, we had a co-OC he could have named as the playcaller. I do think Grubb will be a great addition, but I don't think adding him is any indicator of what Sheridan did last year.
 
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If Sheridan was as bad as you say, why was CKD seemingly ok keeping him as the playcaller. There were other OCs who were on the market and we made no moves until Grubb came up. I mean if he was really that bad, we had a co-OC he could have named as the playcaller. I do think Grubb will be a great addition, but I don't think adding him is any indicator of what Sheridan did last year.
Could it be because in CKD's opinion, most of the problem was Milroe? If CKD thought Sheridan was most of the problem or big enough of the problem he would have moved on from him after the season. The fact that he didn't tells me what the head coach thought the problem was.
 

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If Sheridan was as bad as you say, why was CKD seemingly ok keeping him as the playcaller. There were other OCs who were on the market and we made no moves until Grubb came up. I mean if he was really that bad, we had a co-OC he could have named as the playcaller. I do think Grubb will be a great addition, but I don't think adding him is any indicator of what Sheridan did last year.
My view is that Sheridan got dealt some tough cards, his players had limitations and that really tied his hands.
I do not know if he is a capable OC or not. Hard to judge the guy based on last year.
Coach DeBoer, however, had a front row seat.
 

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Would it be fair to say, he got "Milroped"?
Funny, but that is now water under the bridge. (Trying to be philosophical about it)
My concern is with the future of the program. It might be that Sheridan would do great. It is a bit embarrassing that a new OC got hired while he was already the OC, but I guess it is better than getting fired.
Still I do not know how good or bad Sheridan is. The limits last year just did not showcase any great attributes he might have.

One thing I agree with Josh Pate on, Alabama is going to have to run the ball better than it did last year. Displaying great skill in the passing game might help back the DBs out of the box, but in any case, Bama needs to be able to pound the ball when it wants to.
I hope Coach Grubb understands that and makes it happen.
 
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Penix almost threw for 5000 yards the year they played in the title game. JM threw for less than 3000 this year.

I don't know what the low or high end would be in passing yardage if, say TS, wins the job this year, but I'd be shocked if it is not way north of 3000!
This actually provides an interesting commentary on Sheridan's career because he had Penix for two years as well. Penix has injury issues but it was about the same number of games as he had Milroe. Furthermore, Penix had starts the year before Sheridan was OC and he performed better, so his subdued production wasn't just a product of Indiana's shortcomings (their QB was great this past season by the way).

Anyway...
Under Sheridan here's the numbers
Penix: 11 games, 2,584 passing yards, 18 passing TDs, 11 INTs
Milroe: 13 games, 2844 passing yards, 16 passing TDs, 11 INTs

It's actually remarkable how similar the production of both of those guys ended up being in Sheridan's offense. Anyway, my point is I'm much more comfortable with the notion of Grubb unlocking a QB's potential than I was with the previous play caller...

Here's what Penix did in Washington immediately after his time with Sheridan:
Penix: 13 games, 4641 passing yards, 31 passing TDs, 8 INTs

Even his interceptions went down.
We can do Milroe as well, here's what he did under Rees:
13 games, 2834 passing yards, 23 passing TDs, 6 INTs

Weird how the trends all went one way... but it somehow had nothing to do with the OC.
 

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