Elon Musk: Hero or Villian?

[bamaga]

and since I still cant edit I'll add here. Why are you using the word "destructive" no one in that article is asking to "destroy" anything. Only one being destructive here is Elon tanking the company he lies about founding. I the Tesla board wasn't loaded with his cronies he'd have been booted as CEO months ago.

No one in that article mentioned enabling Russian aggression either.
Given the recent history of Tesla protests, it’s not just my opinion, watch a news Channel, any channel and they have the same opinion. Destructive protest is more likely than not to happen. Besides, Why harass would be buyers, they have nothing to do with Musk. They just want to buy a car. The protests are misplaced.
How about the largest investor in Tesla stock is mainstreet America, Not Elon Musk. 401Ks , retirement accounts and the like own more stock than Musk.

 

[Huckleberry]

so you are saying a man voicing his opinion and putting money into his beliefs should be met with destructive protest .

Destructive? No. Peaceful protests and boycotts? Absolutely.

The Trump Administration or anyone else trying to make those things synonymous is constructing a gross and deliberate mischaracterization designed to quell free speech.

As Tidewater said:

Protesting against police excessive use of force is fine and legal. Throwing molotov cocktails is not.
Rallying for election integrity is fine. Storming the Capitol building is not.
Protesting against Palestinian casualties in Gaza is fine. Supporting Hamas and handing out flyers saying, "Death to America" is not.

And protesting Elon's role in what's happening in our country and Europe is fine. Arson and vandalism is not.

 

[bamaga]

Destructive? No. Peaceful protests and boycotts? Absolutely.

The Trump Administration or anyone else trying to make those things synonymous is constructing a gross and deliberate mischaracterization designed to quell free speech.

It’s not hard to make the leap from protests to destructive protests given recent Tesla protests. If there is not a single episode of Tesla destruction this weekend, I will come back and retract that statement.

So many on here immediately go to a Trump slant, pro or con.

 

[Jon]

Destructive? No. Peaceful protests and boycotts? Absolutely.

The Trump Administration or anyone else trying to make those things synonymous is constructing a gross and deliberate mischaracterization designed to quell free speech.

As Tidewater said:



And protesting Elon's role in what's happening in our country and Europe is fine. Arson and vandalism is not.

no no no you can hold a reasonable stance, against musk makes you a terrorist. Against Israel makes you a Hamas supporter, hell I've been told I am that on this very board. There is no grey at all, pure binary

 

[Huckleberry]

It’s not hard to make the leap from protests to destructive protests given recent Tesla protests. If there is not a single episode of Tesla destruction this weekend, I will come back and retract that statement.

So many on here immediately go to a Trump slant, pro or con.

So no one should be protesting against Tesla/Musk because relatively few criminals commit destructive acts? I disagree.

Let's apply that to the situations listed above:

Don't protest police violence. Someone might get violent.
Don't rally for election integrity. Someone might get violent.
Don't protest on behalf of Palestinians. Someone might get violent.

Talk about your slippery slopes.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1905760315519975817

Musk: I mean, have you Tim Walz, who is a huge jerk, running on stage with the Tesla stock price.. What an evil thing to do. What a creep, what a jerk. Like who derives joy from that?

 

[bamaga]

So no one should be protesting against Tesla/Musk because relatively few criminals commit destructive acts? I disagree.

Let's apply that to the situations listed above:

Don't protest police violence. Someone might get violent.
Don't rally for election integrity. Someone might get violent.
Don't protest on behalf of Palestinians. Someone might get violent.

Talk about your slippery slopes.

You are right, you are right, my bad. Reading comprehension. my statement was out of context of the overall discussion. Here, an excerpt from my statement in my first post of this thread.

. I get that people are protesting in the U.S.

straight out of the first post. And that was in response to an article. No one is saying people have no right to protest, but the very thing y’all jumped to was the thing you are deriding me for. Binary thoughts, no grey area. It’s why I don’t discuss things here.

I got words for all of you, get out and live a little. There is more to life than Loving/hating Trump.

 

[Jon]

I got words for all of you, get out and live a little. There is more to life than Loving/hating Trump.

so just watch trump turn my country into the most hated trashbin on earth while empowering Russia to destroy europe and we're supposed to touch grass?

 

[bamaga]

so just watch trump turn my country into the most hated trashbin on earth while empowering Russia to destroy europe and we're supposed to touch grass?

You all see everything in the damn world as Trump/anti Trump. You passive Aggressively refer to me in others post as binary, yet you act the very way you are railing against. You are automatically assuming without background that I see the world one way , Orange. Which is false. I don’t see it your way either though. Me, and a lot more like me are actually in the grey you talk about but can’t truly accept. I would dare say there are more of us than of you , or the other group. but get the two of you together and there is no room for anyone else. Praise Trump, the hell with Trump . I don’t care anymore, I can’t ask you to go away, so I will. See you on the sports boards.

 

[Jon]

You all see everything in the damn world as Trump/anti Trump. You passive Aggressively refer to me in others post as binary, yet you act the very way you are railing against. You are automatically assuming without background that I see the world one way , Orange. Which is false. I don’t see it your way either though. Me, and a lot more like me are actually in the grey you talk about but can’t truly accept. I would dare say there are more of us than of you , or the other group. but get the two of you together and there is no room for anyone else. Praise Trump, the hell with Trump . I don’t care anymore, I can’t ask you to go away, so I will. See you on the sports boards.

I wasn't passive at all and I made no assumptions about you. Responding to what you posted

enjoy the football board while we become a global pariah state, doesn't matter to me

 

[jthomas666]

so just watch trump turn my country into the most hated trashbin on earth while empowering Russia to destroy europe and we're supposed to touch grass?

Yes, that would be the civil thing to do.

 

[Maudiemae]

It’s not hard to make the leap from protests to destructive protests given recent Tesla protests. If there is not a single episode of Tesla destruction this weekend, I will come back and retract that statement.

So many on here immediately go to a Trump slant, pro or con.

I am VERY anti Trump and extremely anti Musk. I believe strongly in protest and no, it doesn't have to lead to destructiveness. In fact, most of the time it does not. I think destroying people's property and the like is stupid and counter productive. I live where there are a lot of protests because Dear Leader comes to my town every weekend now. EVERY DANGED WEEKEND. To golf. To hang out across the bridge at Mar-a-Lago. I've participated in protests here and probably will again this weekend. There are usually counter-protesters, too. It's never gotten destructive or violent. There have recently been protests regarding Social Security all over the country. Protests concerning cuts to the VA are happening everywhere. None are violent and none are destructive. When I go, I have to use my walker because I have a lot of arthritis problems.

 

[Jon]

lol you made it 2.5 hours

and all trump supporters want to over through the government just like the Jan 6'ers, am I now playing this game right?

 

[Jon]

lol you made it 2.5 hours

and all trump supporters want to over through the government just like the Jan 6'ers, am I now playing this game right?

wow, I really said through when I meant throw. still cant edit but its all good

 

[Jon]

loved seeing Elon freaking out and calling out the people that booed him as "being paid by Soros" when he was in Wisconsin actively trying to buy support.

also, 10 years of relentless anti-trump activity by me and not a single penny from old George. Can anyone on the right tell me where to send my receipts? I'm fully ready to get paid for this

 

[Crimson1967]

Back before he got really political I used to see memes showing a Tesla that had spontaneously combusted and all the anti-EV people would flood the comments section laughing about it. But suddenly someone losing their car through no fault of their own is no longer funny.

Of course, I never saw anyone say you should respect the president even if you don’t like his politics during Biden’s term like I did during Trump45.

I think destroying someone’s property as a political protest is wrong and if you do it you should go to jail. I think getting rid of your Tesla and letting the whole world know about it is just virtue signaling. Same for people who dropped Twitter after it became X. Or people who let

But protesting Musk and Tesla is legally protected speech and any implied intimidation by the government against such protests is wrong.

 

[mdb-tpet]

It seems to me that Elon is somewhat channeling his experiences with Apartheid into his role. He's been extremely good at finding areas of the government that are willing to give/loan him money while he takes too little of the risk. Space X is largely run off of government dollars. Telsa has been massively helped by EV tax credits and the CO2 credits sold to other car companies. In a way, he's recreating the South African model where a small group of people hoard resources from a limited and poorly run government while they ignore the needs of the larger population. I wish I were wrong, but very little I see him doing lately is aiming to help anyone but himself and a few other very rich people. But, I'm probably wrong because of course firing thousands of people before you understand their jobs is the best way to manage any organization.

 

[75thru79]

10 years of relentless anti-trump activity by me and not a single penny from old George. Can anyone on the right tell me where to send my receipts? I'm fully ready to get paid for this

 

[AlexanderFan]

I would argue that this method simply wouldn't work - talk it to death, delay, etc are the methods the bureaucracy has used for uncontrolled growth for decades.

Find it funny that the government needs to be looked at now. Rampant government wasn’t a bad thing before November….

 

[bamaga]

Find it funny that the government needs to be looked at now. Rampant government wasn’t a bad thing before November….

Yeah, I think it was . It’s been a concern of mine for a decade. And I agree with Brad something had to be done, talking about it wasn’t cutting it. But I’m pretty sure indiscriminately firing folks isn’t the proper way either. Maybe having department heads making cuts would be a better option. Giving them 30 days or 60 days to reduce their workforce by X amount. Some departments should/would see deeper cuts than others.