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Karen Bass......if ICE doesn't come in to enforce the law then we don't have these riots. That's basically what she said. She says its a protest of 100 people that got out of hand........amazing.

That's brilliant reasoning, genius even.

Newsom....says that basically Hegseth and Trump are a joke and they don't need the National Guard. While Los Angeles burns again. Absolutely brilliant.
 
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Fetterman: I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration—but this is not that.

This is anarchy and true chaos.

My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement.
Oh, the ironing, Sen. Fetterman. This kind of stuff NEVER happens in Pennsylvania:


Yet we need to send in US Army and Marines to quell the disturbances.
 
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Karen Bass......if ICE doesn't come in to enforce the law then we don't have these riots. That's basically what she said. She says its a protest of 100 people that got out of hand........amazing.

That's brilliant reasoning, genius even.

Newsom....says that basically Hegseth and Trump are a joke and they don't need the National Guard. While Los Angeles burns again. Absolutely brilliant.
IMO, I do believe that Trump mishandled this. Had I been in his shoes, I would have made a big public announcement along the lines of, "I care and I am offering to send in the NG to help" knowing full well that Newsome would turn it down flat because of politics. This way, Trump gets the optics of wanting to help, but ultimately respecting states' rights. Meanwhile, he gets to sit there and watch as the place burns down which opens the door to make a subtle observation to Californians: you got what you voted for.

Newsome's 2028 run isn't dead, but it's on life support at this point. Trump could have killed it altogether by doing the above.
 
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You got that right.
If the federal actors are not supported by state and local authorities, it is going to be difficult to do anything effective.
The Marines, however, will be told at a minimum that they have an unquestioned right to defend themselves, so folks throwing rocks at them from overpasses had better be careful.

A "whiff of grape" would clear this up in short order.
Bush did send in the Marines during the Rodney King riots but they were given CLEAR orders and rules of engagement to protect only federal employees and institutions while the LA and California authorities got the situation under control. But with Trump you really don’t know what the full scope is because he is very impulsive and doesn’t give you the full details. I worry that he is actually sending the Marines in to LA to assist with crowd control because again Active Duty deals with things in a far different manner.
 

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IMO, I do believe that Trump mishandled this. Had I been in his shoes, I would have made a big public announcement along the lines of, "I care and I am offering to send in the NG to help" knowing full well that Newsome would turn it down flat because of politics. This way, Trump gets the optics of wanting to help, but ultimately respecting states' rights. Meanwhile, he gets to sit there and watch as the place burns down which opens the door to make a subtle observation to Californians: you got what you voted for.
You are right, but I do not think Trump can handle things that way. I do not think that is part of his character.

I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of the Marine commander or the California National Guard Commander: you arrive on scene, and the police chief says, "We do not need you. We have been told not to cooperate with you. We will do what we can you see to it that none of your men gets injured, but you are pretty much on your own here."
Now what?
 

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The most amusing development to me thus far is that after 60 years of hearing how the LAPD is a racist, corrupt, needs to be defunded organization that killed blacks with chokeholds, beat Rodney King, and framed OJ Simpson - now all of a sudden they've become bastions of civil virtue defended by Democrats overnight.

(I'm being about half sarcastic except it always amuses me how "riots" are "really protests" depending on who's doing it, cops are bad except when they're doing what "my side" wants, and we assume virtue or vice based upon whether we agree with the cause or not).

There's one thing I know for sure: until Democrats get better at retail politics, they'll blow this one, too.

Hint: condemning a riotous act caught on camera by a non-white person does not make you a racist (just so long as you're consistent and condemn whites who do the same).
Well the thing is that this couldn’t have happened in LA at a worse time because they just had a huge walkoff in the LAPD because of the mayor. So they aren’t equipped to deal with a true riot.

The weird thing about the Rodney King riots is that no one seems to remember a big part of it actually was due to a Korean store owner shooting a teen and getting off with a light sentence. But everyone wants to focus solely on the LAPD because the OJ trial isn’t far off.

LA and the West coast constantly have these over dramatic riots that spiral out of control and these autonomous zones in protests against the police that no one else seems to have. I guess the most racist part of the country is the west and not the south.
 

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Karen Bass......if ICE doesn't come in to enforce the law then we don't have these riots. That's basically what she said. She says its a protest of 100 people that got out of hand........amazing.

That's brilliant reasoning, genius even.

Newsom....says that basically Hegseth and Trump are a joke and they don't need the National Guard. While Los Angeles burns again. Absolutely brilliant.
Newsom is looking for his fiddle to play.
 
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I agree, selma. I also found LA Mayor Collins press conference yesterday amusing. While she didn't use the phrase, the state's rights concept was front and center. Her arguments were the same as were used by southern segregationists in the 60s.

My, how the worm does turn...
It's even worse than that. The worm has not only turned, but become venomous.

When the federalized national guard arrived in Tuscaloosa in 1963, under the same statutory authority Trump is claiming today in Los Angeles, George Wallace made a theatrical stand but then stood down. Gavin Newsom instead doubled down. I didn't have "make George Wallace of all people seem relatively statesmanlike" on my 2025 bingo card, but Newsom must've...
 
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Wish the media would do more interviews with the local shop & business owners. Instead of the politicians and so-called "experts" on the subject....who are ALWAYS going to give you a spin.

After all - PUBLIC SAFETY should be the #1 concern here......right?
 

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Wish the media would do more interviews with the local shop & business owners. Instead of the politicians and so-called "experts" on the subject....who are ALWAYS going to give you a spin.

After all - PUBLIC SAFETY should be the #1 concern here......right?
Sadly, no. It's starting to feel that everything we are seeing/hearing is strictly performative. There are narratives that need reinforcing, after all.
 

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It's even worse than that. The worm has not only turned, but become venomous.

When the federalized national guard arrived in Tuscaloosa in 1963, under the same statutory authority Trump is claiming today in Los Angeles, George Wallace made a theatrical stand but then stood down. Gavin Newsom instead doubled down. I didn't have "make George Wallace of all people seem relatively statesmanlike" on my 2025 bingo card, but Newsom must've...
Well there is some context. You gotta remember that both JFK and Wallace just witnessed what Governor Barnett being put before an ole Miss football crowd at halftime did after secretly agreeing to admit the first African American student into Ole Miss. Neither Wallace or Kennedy wanted a repeat of Ole Miss in Tuscaloosa. However both knew that Wallace had to be seen opposing it and Kennedy had to be shown enforcing it so the whole thing was staged in that manner. If Wallace really wanted to fight the federal government on it then he had far more support in Alabama than Barnett ever had in Mississippi to do it.

Newsom is vying for a presidential run in 2028 and is using the riot to make people forget about his horrible record as the governor of California. It’s why he is constant contact with Brian Taylor Cohen every time Trump related happens. He is basically the Desantis of the left in terms of trying to be the hip front running governor in the next presidential election and hoping people forget about his actual track records. However I think his handling of the riots isn’t having the effect he thought it would. I think Democrats are still coming away with the wrong interpretation of the George Floyd riots in seeing them as most Americans were in support of them. Most Americans are tired of seeing their major cities burn and government leaders playing politics over them. Trump is probably going to come out of this way better than Newsom.
 
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...If Wallace really wanted to fight the federal government on it then he had far more support in Alabama than Barnett ever had in Mississippi to do it...
  1. Thanks for the context. I'll have to research the Ole Miss part.
  2. QED...
ETA: I just briefly read up on the Barnett 16-word halftime speech - God help me I do so love ChatGPT. Never knew about that incident. So, Newsom is basically a latter day Ross Barnett, minus the brevity...
 
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IMO, I do believe that Trump mishandled this. Had I been in his shoes, I would have made a big public announcement along the lines of, "I care and I am offering to send in the NG to help" knowing full well that Newsome would turn it down flat because of politics.
Donald Trump is genetically incapable of what you describe.
 
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Polybius, Book 6: [with my commentary in brackets]
"When a commonwealth [e.g. the United States], after warding off many great dangers [e.g. Nazism, communism], has arrived at a high pitch of prosperity and undisputed power [e.g. post-Cold War unipolar world], it is evident that, by the lengthened continuance of great wealth within it, the manner of life of its citizens will become more extravagant [e.g. today's infatuation with celebrity?]; and that the rivalry for office, and in other spheres of activity, will become fiercer than it ought to be [January 6th?]. And as this state of things goes on more and more, the desire of office and the shame of losing reputation, as well as the ostentation and extravagance of living, will prove the beginning of a deterioration. And of this change the people will be credited with being the authors, when they become convinced that they are being cheated by some from avarice ["eat the rich"?], and are puffed up with flattery by others from love of office. For when that comes about, in their passionate resentment and acting under the dictates of anger, they will refuse to obey any longer, or to be content with having equal powers with their leaders, but will demand to have all or far the greatest themselves. And when that comes to pass the constitution will receive a new name, which sounds better than any other in the world, liberty or democracy; but, in fact, it will become that worst of all governments, mob-rule."

Okay, back to your originally-scheduled programming...
 
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IMO, I do believe that Trump mishandled this.
It depends on the perspective. From Trump’s point of view he has accomplished exactly what he wanted to do, i.e. proved the point that California is out of control, immigrants are dangerous, he needs to send military to calm the protest, and so on.
 
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