Trump Attacks Iran, III

[TIDE-HSV]

They may not know it yet but they're giving him loads of ammo to leave NATO.

Congress passed an act in late 2023 preventing any president from leaving NATO without congressional approval or a 2/3 vote of the Senate. That said, he'll try or try to sabotage the relationship even more than he has now. Face it. The people of the US have elected a big, fat, overgrown baby as president, with the emotions of a ten-year old...

 

[Bamaro]

 

[arthurdawg]

Congress passed an act in late 2023 preventing any president from leaving NATO without congressional approval or a 2/3 vote of the Senate. That said, he'll try or try to sabotage the relationship even more than he has now. Face it. The people of the US have elected a big, fat, overgrown baby as president, with the emotions of a ten-year old...

And a good question... Is there anyone here who thinks Trumps attitude towards NATO is a good thing for the US now or in the future? Pushing away the democracies of the world and cozying up to Putin?

I don't mean negotiating for the countries of Europe to pay a more reasonable amount and provide more for their own defense, but shredding NATO and having it all far apart.

I can only see downsides to it in the future, as with so many other actions on the part of the Trump administration. Ceding large profitable industries to China. Destroying the organization that gave us the best biomedical research and development in the world... Lots of downstream harm to our country for our future...

But hey, the Dow hit 50 right?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

But hey, the Dow hit 50 right?

Yeah, like he had anything to do with it.

I swear, all of these "This President created X million jobs" makes me laugh my butt off every time. It's the parallel to "but look at the stock market!"

Really?

What DID HE DO that specifically caused the result? Nobody can ever explain that one, mostly because it's like the rooster claiming credit for the sunrise.

The one exception I grant - not because it's Trump but because of his own volatility on the issue - is the rage over tariffs. Let's be honest, MOST economic programs take 18-24 months to show ANY results, which is why it's so funny to hear George W Bush blamed for a recession that began in March 2001 (no, if that's the standard it was a CLINTON recession).

I remember all of the MAGAs chanting about the stock market - right up until March 2020, when every single gain over the previous 11 years went up in smoke in days and they ran right back to, "But Presidents don't control the stock market!"

 

[selmaborntidefan]

As well as any other military support down the road. I feel like many NATO countries take us for granted and I'm thinking a lot of people in D.C. feel that way as well.

Except it wasn't those countries that told the Big Oaf, "Hey, what we really want right now is a war with Iran!"

Fact is NATO has largely worked as was planned for 8 decades now. Russia doesn't own the world and Germany has quit trying to own it. As was pointed out to Trump all the way back in 2017 by Mattis and a few others (including Tillerson), those other countries are not enjoying the prosperity we are, and NATO is still a good deal overall for the US.

And Donald Trump is the last person on earth who ever needs to whine about someone not paying their so-called obligations, too.

 

[UAH]

They may not know it yet but they're giving him loads of ammo to leave NATO.

Yeah, and the National Defense Authorization Act of '24 requires a super-majority of congress to approve of the withdrawal, making it highly unlikely.

But that doesn't mean he won't try to undermine US involvement in every way possible, and will likely have some support along the way.

And a good question... Is there anyone here who thinks Trumps attitude towards NATO is a good thing for the US now or in the future? Pushing away the democracies of the world and cozying up to Putin?

I don't mean negotiating for the countries of Europe to pay a more reasonable amount and provide more for their own defense, but shredding NATO and having it all far apart.

I can only see downsides to it in the future, as with so many other actions on the part of the Trump administration. Ceding large profitable industries to China. Destroying the organization that gave us the best biomedical research and development in the world... Lots of downstream harm to our country for our future...

But hey, the Dow hit 50 right?

Huge sums from the Middle East oil kingdoms is fleeing to Hong Kong and Singapore away from USD and US Bonds. Right now one can look at the possibility of debt default in in the US, UK, France while Japan struggles to stay afloat. Who is going to come to the aid of the US with a credit swap agreement for several trillion the way Bessent engineered with Argentina with a microscopic amount compared to total US debt.
I doubt then if we will be in a position to set on our perch and criticize Europe when Germany has a miniscule debt burden compared to the US.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Remember who said "I am the king of debt"...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

And a good question... Is there anyone here who thinks Trumps attitude towards NATO is a good thing for the US now or in the future? Pushing away the democracies of the world and cozying up to Putin?

I don't mean negotiating for the countries of Europe to pay a more reasonable amount and provide more for their own defense, but shredding NATO and having it all far apart.

I can only see downsides to it in the future, as with so many other actions on the part of the Trump administration. Ceding large profitable industries to China. Destroying the organization that gave us the best biomedical research and development in the world... Lots of downstream harm to our country for our future...

But hey, the Dow hit 50 right?

If the rest of his WH time is like what's gone on so far, I'd say 50 years is a pretty good guess at the amount by which he will have set the country back...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Remember who said "I am the king of debt"...

Televangelist Robert Tilton?????

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Televangelist Robert Tilton?????

I have no idea who that is. The televangelists I know can be counted on one hand and he doesn't have a finger...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

slimeball Robert Tilton

 

[selmaborntidefan]

My longtime friend (since age 13) from England sent me a picture of his fill up today.

$8.95 per gallon.

And yes, l know it’s liters there.
I also know (wait for it) MATH!

 

[bamacpa]

If the rest of his WH time is like what's gone on so far, I'd say 50 years is a pretty good guess at the amount by which he will have set the country back...

This is what breaks my heart. My wife and I are pretty well positioned and should be able to deal with the financial turmoil. But our kids and grandkids.....

 

[81usaf92]

Again i ask… what was the goal.


It seems Israel is the only one to benefit in any way from this. Ironically this fanatical religious government in Israel looks more like Nazis in their endless quest for lebensraum especially when the US is carrying the big weight of the wars of expansion.

 

[92tide]

Again i ask… what was the goal.


It seems Israel is the only one to benefit in any way from this. Ironically this fanatical religious government in Israel looks more like Nazis in their endless quest for lebensraum especially when the US is carrying the big weight of the wars of expansion.

two more weeks is the goal, apparently

 

[4Q Basket Case]

The war has been two more weeks since it started. Everything -- the war, whatever change he's after, whatever effect he wants -- is two more weeks. Until the public forgets about it.

 

[UAH]

This is what breaks my heart. My wife and I are pretty well positioned and should be able to deal with the financial turmoil. But our kids and grandkids.....

To many of us it is obvious that the US has been in a long term decline at least from Vietnam onward. The reason a Trump could be elected in the first place is the wide spread decline in the standard of living of the working class. Now we have accelerated that decline to include much of the middle class. To the degree that many well educated young people, including my own, question bringing children into this world. It is very sad to see it come to this.

 

[Bamaro]

Regardless of whether trump should have even begun this war or not, without a resolution to the uranium enrichment issue, stockpile and centrifiges, if this is not settled this whole opperation will be a failure.

 

[UAH]

Regardless of whether trump should have even begun this war or not, without a resolution to the uranium enrichment issue, stockpile and centrifiges, if this is not settled this whole opperation will be a failure.

We had a verifiable agreement on nuclear weapons that Trump tore up, just like he did with the Asia Pacific Agreement and the normallization of relations with Cuba. Simply because Obama was involved. Recently Anthony Blinken said on Christiane Amanpour that European negotiations with Iran had made good progress in reducing enrichment levels. Why because Europe is obviously much more impacted economically by a gulf war. It should have been a known that the US and Israel did not have the staying power to subdue Iran before initiating attacks.

 

[bamacpa]

Again i ask… what was the goal.


It seems Israel is the only one to benefit in any way from this. Ironically this fanatical religious government in Israel looks more like Nazis in their endless quest for lebensraum especially when the US is carrying the big weight of the wars of expansion.

The goal was to satisfy Donnie and Pete's macho fantasies.