Decline of the GOP - XVI

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I see where Hillary's email server is back for further investigation.

When that concludes, next up will be Benghazi, Benghazi .....because, Benghazi.

Don't forget Obama's tan suit.
SOS before and after her, including both Trump administrations have used, at least partially, private servers. Glass house and all that. Don't even get me started on Signal...
 

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just in case anyone is wondering why they are trying so hard to create a distraction

At least on Reddit many are staying on Target.

Shockingly even Conservative subreddits have had enough and just want the information fully released.

The truth is that If and it’s a big IF… If all the damning proof about everyone could come out it would burn a lot powerful and influential people’s legacy to the ground and it should.

It would be people of all political affiliations and High profile celebrities and wealthy socialites across several industries.

I just don’t think it will ever happen and no victims will receive Justice.

My expectation is that pardons will happen in exchange for keeping everything buried.
 

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At least on Reddit many are staying on Target.

Shockingly even Conservative subreddits have had enough and just want the information fully released.

The truth is that If and it’s a big IF… If all the damning proof about everyone could come out it would burn a lot powerful and influential people’s legacy to the ground and it should.

It would be people of all political affiliations and High profile celebrities and wealthy socialites across several industries.

I just don’t think it will ever happen and no victims will receive Justice.

My expectation is that pardons will happen in exchange for keeping everything buried.
i’ll be surprised if we learn much more than we already know, which is already awful.

there may be a few underbussings as we go along
 

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It is a federal and state crime to knowingly make false statements on mortgage documents. Violating the terms of a mortgage could allow lenders recourse to seek full payment of a loan, according to legal experts.
Well, well, well, looks like it isn't just Adam Schiff and Letitia James who prefer their mortgages to be fraudulent. It will be mighty interesting to compare all 3 outcomes (assuming there ever is one.)
 
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Well, well, well, looks like it isn't just Adam Schiff and Letitia James who prefer their mortgages to be fraudulent. It will be mighty interesting to compare all 3 outcomes (assuming there ever is one.)
Paxton is an absolute slimeball.

Naturally he has the MAGA constituency.

He's the imbecile who filed a lawsuit in SCOTUS to throw out the EVs of four states and it was backed by 105 Republican House members.

He was indicted for securities fraud in 2015, and he thinks he needs to be a Senator from Texas.
 

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My ex-wife and I were talking recently and she commented, "You're a whole lot more liberal than you used to be" (for the record, she has thought Trump the Antichrist since the mid-1980s and found herself voting for Democratic nominees the last 3 elections).

And I told her, "No, I'm not. True, I've learned some things don't work in the real world. I'm still pro-death penalty, but I want to be 100% SURE, too. I'm still against abortion, I wish there would never be another one...but let's be honest and admit someone who really wants one is going to get one, too. But the fact remains that I'm more conservative than the Republican Party is in what I actually believe and do."

If you drop all the fake wrestling posedowns and flexing, there is nothing at all "conservative" about the incumbent MAGA party. Nothing. It's a lot of wrestling promo nonsense lathered with alternating between being the face or the heel - all while the head promoter runs off with the admission receipts and payments while the show is ongoing.
 

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If you drop all the fake wrestling posedowns and flexing, there is nothing at all "conservative" about the incumbent MAGA party. Nothing. It's a lot of wrestling promo nonsense lathered with alternating between being the face or the heel - all while the head promoter runs off with the admission receipts and payments while the show is ongoing.
The MAGA repubs have just pushed the kayfabe to the next level - it's there throughout the federal government. People truly believe their tribe is fundamentally for them, at least more than that other tribe, but in reality it's all a poorly fake game to garner ever more money and power for the elected.
 
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My ex-wife and I were talking recently and she commented, "You're a whole lot more liberal than you used to be" (for the record, she has thought Trump the Antichrist since the mid-1980s and found herself voting for Democratic nominees the last 3 elections).

And I told her, "No, I'm not. True, I've learned some things don't work in the real world. I'm still pro-death penalty, but I want to be 100% SURE, too. I'm still against abortion, I wish there would never be another one...but let's be honest and admit someone who really wants one is going to get one, too. But the fact remains that I'm more conservative than the Republican Party is in what I actually believe and do."

If you drop all the fake wrestling posedowns and flexing, there is nothing at all "conservative" about the incumbent MAGA party. Nothing. It's a lot of wrestling promo nonsense lathered with alternating between being the face or the heel - all while the head promoter runs off with the admission receipts and payments while the show is ongoing.
I've always been socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I was indifferent to the whole abortion thing until the day I learned its true purpose (culling the herd, particularly among minorities.) Gays neither bothered me nor interested me. Violent crime needed to be stamped out as much as possible whereas victimless "crime" shouldn't really be seen as a crime. It's really no surprise that libertarianism held more appeal than either of the major parties.

However, the older I get, the more the line between the left and the right blurs. Many of us have taken to using the word "uniparty" for obvious reasons. For some time now, I have seen the line between "us" and "them." Unfortunately, people much smarter than the electorate-at-large have learned how to manipulate the whole thing into an "us versus us" scenario and I must admit, it was worked better than they could have hoped. This level of discord is what has created the MAGA movement and for better or worse, I don't see it going away. It serves the same purpose the media and political parties do: more division, more rage, more discontent. MAGA is a symptom of the establishment sickness, not the cause of it.
 

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Will you please expound on this a bit? For the record, I support abortion rights because I believe that all of us have bodily autonomy.
For the record, I'm not trying to take away anyone's bodily autonomy. I think we can all agree that shooting heroin is a stupid idea, but I won't try to stop you if that's what you want to do. Same with abortion. Same with any behavior where the consequences aren't shared among the rest of us.

Now with that out of the way, I picked up on the abortion industry's racist past by the (now deceased) father of a good friend of mine. He was a pastor at a moderately sized black church and as far as I could tell, he was the real deal. He didn't shill for money. He didn't get political. His concern was preaching the gospel and encouraging his flock to live according to the beliefs of the church.

We were having a casual conversation one day and while I forget how, the topic of abortion came up. In most instances, I can't change the subject fast enough, but I was comfortable enough to hear him out. To state the obvious, I can't recall the conversation word for word, but we were both in agreement that systemic racism was very much a thing in 1973 and the notion that 7 old white men suddenly cared about 'bodily autonomy', feminism or rights was absurd. He explained Sanger's racist past and demonstrated just how hard people try to whitewash it today. He made a lot of points that I can't remember, but I was sold. He made one hell of a good argument and apparently the topic had been covered more than once or twice from the pulpit.

In any case, I'm not trying to convince anyone of this. I'm merely explaining the position of my personal feelings regarding the practice. I've certainly no intention of trying to alter your (or anyone else's) feelings on the matter.
 
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Will you please expound on this a bit? For the record, I support abortion rights because I believe that all of us have bodily autonomy.

For the love of God, I must new around here.....

Checking out of the coming abortion discussion to something less painful.

Hmmm.....what would it feel like if I shot a staple gun into my groin..........
 
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For the record, I'm not trying to take away anyone's bodily autonomy. I think we can all agree that shooting heroin is a stupid idea, but I won't try to stop you if that's what you want to do. Same with abortion. Same with any behavior where the consequences aren't shared among the rest of us.

Now with that out of the way, I picked up on the abortion industry's racist past by the (now deceased) father of a good friend of mine. He was a pastor at a moderately sized black church and as far as I could tell, he was the real deal. He didn't shill for money. He didn't get political. His concern was preaching the gospel and encouraging his flock to live according to the beliefs of the church.

We were having a casual conversation one day and while I forget how, the topic of abortion came up. In most instances, I can't change the subject fast enough, but I was comfortable enough to hear him out. To state the obvious, I can't recall the conversation word for word, but we were both in agreement that systemic racism was very much a thing in 1973 and the notion that 7 old white men suddenly cared about 'bodily autonomy', feminism or rights was absurd. He explained Sanger's racist past and demonstrated just how hard people try to whitewash it today. He made a lot of points that I can't remember, but I was sold. He made one hell of a good argument and apparently the topic had been covered more than once or twice from the pulpit.

In any case, I'm not trying to convince anyone of this. I'm merely explaining the position of my personal feelings regarding the practice. I've certainly no intention of trying to alter your (or anyone else's) feelings on the matter.
If you are not trying to convince anyone then you are pro choice. :sneaky:
 

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For millennia, the standard, in almost all religions (and I regard this as a religious issue) was the same - the fetus became "human" when it could sustain independent life outside the womb. This idea of two cells meeting and creating a human being is based on modern biological knowledge and is totally novel...
 
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For millennia, the standard, in almost all religions (and I regard this as a religious issue) was the same - the fetus became "human" when it could sustain independent life outside the womb. This idea of two cells meeting and creating a human being is based on modern biological knowledge and is totally novel...
As do I, but remember that I'm still new to this. As an agnostic, I dismissed the notion that humans were special and not just another animal inhabiting this planet. Therefore the concept of "sanctity of life" held little meaning for me. This is why I regarded a woman who gets an abortion with the same indifference I held for a catfish that eats its young. As a new Christian, this outlook is obviously no longer tenable, but it's not like I could just reprogram myself overnight. It really has been a struggle at times.