Everyone wants discipline until they get it. These are mature adults he’s dealing with now, not worshipped high school kids.
Alabama: Could you even imagine Curt Cignetti at Alabama?
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I understand
No not everyone wants discipline there are tons in prisons who never wanted it. Not all but most. And there are a lot of immature youngsters in college football right now. It's all about Me Me Me
The comparison to Saban isn’t the point other than the idea that Cignetti has somehow cracked the code wrt NIL/xfer portal that Saban could not.
We’ll see. I get you’re a believer, but CFB is littered with coaches who had an incredible but short run at the top.
I'm so old I can remember when Danny Ford, Mack Brown, Lou Holtz, Jimmy Johnson, Gary Barnett, Butch Davis, Larry Coker, Jim Tressel, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, Will Muschamp, Jimbo Fisher, and Dabo Swinney were all "the next big deal." Kirby Smart's story is still unfolding.
With the exceptions of Meyer and Swinney, not one of those coaches won more than ONE national championship, the same number won by legends like Chizik, Orgeron, Bobby Ross, and Lloyd Carr.
And that's when it was EASIER to win a national championship than now.
Cignetti may win it all this year, he may not.
But we're going to find out how much of it has to do with HIS ACTUAL COACHING when we see how well they handle success next year. Indiana will never be able to sneak up on anyone ever again. Saban said (this was prior to the 2011 championship IIRC) that the most miserable year of his coaching life was at LSU in 2004 (and played a bit of a role in him leaving), saying that it was nearly impossible to motivate the guys who had won a championship into understanding they had to start all over with the Process at square one again.
Counting ONLY the AP recognized poll (starting in 1936) plus the UPI (1950) and then the modern BCS/CFP polls, TEN coaches have won THREE or more national championships, and they're all legends like Saban, Bryant, Switzer, Osborne, McKay, Woody, etc.
So how many OTHERS have won even TWO national titles?
Earl Blaik - Army during WW2 (which hardly merits consideration)
Duffy Daugherty - Michigan State
Bobby Bowden
Dennis Erickson
Pete Carroll
And how many won titles at two different schools?
Just two legends, Saban and Meyer
Subtracting the legends, that means FIVE coaches have won at least two national championships.
Coaches fired within five seasons of winning a national championship (poll era only):
Jimbo Fisher
Ed Orgeron
Gene Chizik
Urban Meyer (technically he wasn't fired - but since he wasn't going to be permitted to stay....same thing)
Larry Coker
And Switzer resigned under duress after a series of embarrassing incidents at OU that were costing them alumni donations until he left. In short, Cignetti is as likely to get canned in the next five years as he is to win another national title in the next ten. (And save for the legends, the two-time champs won in a rather narrow window, six years being the furthest removed).
Cignetti looks great now, but John Wooden was invited to the Final Four in 1991 when UNLV was on a run that looked to net them a second straight title for the first time since UCLA in the mid-70s. When the Rebels lost a stunner to Duke, Wooden was asked what he thought of UNLV: "A lot of teams have won one in a row."
I understand things have changed with NIL and the portal
What hasn't changed? Human nature.
With the exceptions of Meyer and Swinney, not one of those coaches won more than ONE national championship, the same number won by legends like Chizik, Orgeron, Bobby Ross, and Lloyd Carr.
And that's when it was EASIER to win a national championship than now.
Cignetti may win it all this year, he may not.
But we're going to find out how much of it has to do with HIS ACTUAL COACHING when we see how well they handle success next year. Indiana will never be able to sneak up on anyone ever again. Saban said (this was prior to the 2011 championship IIRC) that the most miserable year of his coaching life was at LSU in 2004 (and played a bit of a role in him leaving), saying that it was nearly impossible to motivate the guys who had won a championship into understanding they had to start all over with the Process at square one again.
Counting ONLY the AP recognized poll (starting in 1936) plus the UPI (1950) and then the modern BCS/CFP polls, TEN coaches have won THREE or more national championships, and they're all legends like Saban, Bryant, Switzer, Osborne, McKay, Woody, etc.
So how many OTHERS have won even TWO national titles?
Earl Blaik - Army during WW2 (which hardly merits consideration)
Duffy Daugherty - Michigan State
Bobby Bowden
Dennis Erickson
Pete Carroll
And how many won titles at two different schools?
Just two legends, Saban and Meyer
Subtracting the legends, that means FIVE coaches have won at least two national championships.
Coaches fired within five seasons of winning a national championship (poll era only):
Jimbo Fisher
Ed Orgeron
Gene Chizik
Urban Meyer (technically he wasn't fired - but since he wasn't going to be permitted to stay....same thing)
Larry Coker
And Switzer resigned under duress after a series of embarrassing incidents at OU that were costing them alumni donations until he left. In short, Cignetti is as likely to get canned in the next five years as he is to win another national title in the next ten. (And save for the legends, the two-time champs won in a rather narrow window, six years being the furthest removed).
Cignetti looks great now, but John Wooden was invited to the Final Four in 1991 when UNLV was on a run that looked to net them a second straight title for the first time since UCLA in the mid-70s. When the Rebels lost a stunner to Duke, Wooden was asked what he thought of UNLV: "A lot of teams have won one in a row."
I understand things have changed with NIL and the portal
What hasn't changed? Human nature.
Because some people wish to discuss it?
Yeah, I'm very interested in seeing how it all pans out after this "perfect storm" season has passed.
We may never hear from him again in any major way, or he just might shock the world. One thing is that IU's recruiting has probably just gotten a big boost.
Great point, and I have a feeling that Cignetti can handle that challenge, based on things he's said and his coaching style.
Cignetti would be akin to Bill Belichick at the helm. Everyone else would probably hate him, but we'd embrace his quirks and harshness as long as he was producing results.
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Indiana was quietly 12th on the NIL money list last year above UTe and AU. That's good enough with a good coach to be in the mix for sure.
I agree in all honesty, Indiana has been impressive, as we all know, repeating that success year in & year out is another story..
Next year's Indiana's team, will let us know, if Coach Cignetti is truly a great HC..
If he repeats this years success & domination without Mendoza running their offense..
There’s a narrative that Indiana’s team averages 23 years old; it’s just plain false. The team average is just over 20, with their two deep at just over 21, and that includes a 28 year old Australian punter.
Don’t believe me? There are people that have taken the 247 player ages and done the averages. Also, a good 1/3 of their total roster are true freshmen, true sophs, or redshirt freshmen.
They start four true sophomores; Becker, Landino, Hardy, and Ndukwe. Each is 19. Cooper, Smith, Evans, Radicic, Lynch, Ponds, Ferrell, Sharpe, and Jones are either RS sophs or true juniors.
They’ve got guys that have played a ton of college snaps, but they aren’t that old.
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