My point is still, how do you know there is an error in counting each vot in each race without a manual recount?
Abigail Spanberger and the Virginia Democrats.
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i would imagine the machine kicks them out when they can’t scan them.
at least in georgia there are multiple qc checks in the system
we saw this in 2020 when all of this idiocy about “rigged” elections was beginning to take root
This the same way they do it in Alabama where I live. I see nothing wrong with this process.
Then why even have automated voting machines if you're just going to manually count everything. No suite of controls is going to be perfect. There are going to be errors but I think it's very safe to say that an automated count is going to beat a manual count 99 times out of 100.
I would agree that computer counting is faster than manual, but in the cases in which a particular election is unusually close, there is no harm in counting by hand, just to make sure you get things right. In the 2004 case of the Washingotn governor's race, the result was revwrsed.
I found a good look at the maps Virginia is currently using and the one the Democrats propose we adopt.
Here is the current map:
Here is the proposed new map:
Under this new system, western Hooter County will be in the same district as Arlington National Cemetery 160 miles away because they have so much in common, presumably
Virginians removed this from the politicians in 2021. A committee draws the district boundaries. This change will only be for this election (and maybe the 2028 elections.
Here is the current map:
Here is the proposed new map:
Under this new system, western Hooter County will be in the same district as Arlington National Cemetery 160 miles away because they have so much in common, presumably
Virginians removed this from the politicians in 2021. A committee draws the district boundaries. This change will only be for this election (and maybe the 2028 elections.
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WATCH: Former Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares is calling on Gov. Abigail Spanberger to reverse her anti ICE executive order after an illegal immigrant allegedly murdered a Virginia mother in Fairfax County.
Miyares and Stephanie Minter’s family also called on Spanberger to veto a bill on her desk that would ban local jurisdictions from cooperating with ICE.
Miyares says if that bill is signed by Spanberger, every Virginia county, city and town will have sanctuary policies that shield illegal immigrants from deportation and legal consequences, like Fairfax County.
Miyares and Stephanie Minter’s family also called on Spanberger to veto a bill on her desk that would ban local jurisdictions from cooperating with ICE.
Miyares says if that bill is signed by Spanberger, every Virginia county, city and town will have sanctuary policies that shield illegal immigrants from deportation and legal consequences, like Fairfax County.
Since I do not live in Texas, it is of little consequence to me.
Here is, I suppose the good thing abot the redistricting: it makes more races competitive. In a heavily gerrymandered district (whether Democrat or Republican), the real race is the majority-party primary. Whoever wins the primary will win the general.
The Democrats want to take the same number of Democrat and Republican voters and spread them out over more districts. That means a lot of 55-45 districts and all it will take is the Democratic party to fall on its face (nationally or in-state) by nominating a nincompoop, or overseeing some serious policy gaff for many of these districts to swing Republican.
In 2021, it was attacking parents of school kids and hiding transgender young men who had sexually assaulted a schoolgirl, was hidden by Democrat school district officials, moved to a different school, where he assaulted another girl. If we had had these districts in 2021, Virginia's Congressional delegation might have flipped 6-5 Republican, or maybe even 7-4 Republican.
I said the same critique when discussing black gerrymandered districts, which are based on the premise that only a black person can represent a black person in the legislature (I was then living in Bobby Scott's Va 3rd). When I challenged Congressman Scott on this by asking who was representing me, his staff wrote back that I was "virtually represented" by the white Congressmen from Virginia (the same argument that Parliament had made with the colonists in 1775). I found that answer not particularly satisfying.
The Democrats want to take the same number of Democrat and Republican voters and spread them out over more districts. That means a lot of 55-45 districts and all it will take is the Democratic party to fall on its face (nationally or in-state) by nominating a nincompoop, or overseeing some serious policy gaff for many of these districts to swing Republican.
In 2021, it was attacking parents of school kids and hiding transgender young men who had sexually assaulted a schoolgirl, was hidden by Democrat school district officials, moved to a different school, where he assaulted another girl. If we had had these districts in 2021, Virginia's Congressional delegation might have flipped 6-5 Republican, or maybe even 7-4 Republican.
I said the same critique when discussing black gerrymandered districts, which are based on the premise that only a black person can represent a black person in the legislature (I was then living in Bobby Scott's Va 3rd). When I challenged Congressman Scott on this by asking who was representing me, his staff wrote back that I was "virtually represented" by the white Congressmen from Virginia (the same argument that Parliament had made with the colonists in 1775). I found that answer not particularly satisfying.
Voting has been underway in Virginia for weeks.
Election day is Tuesday April 21.
I believe they will accept ballots until next Friday
I went to cast a ballot early today and was told early voting ended Friday at close of play.
The Democrats love early voting. They are okay with late voting, but dadgummit, they hate Monday voting. Thank of all the Monday voters who are disfranchised by the system.
Really just a comment on the one weird exception. We hear all the time about how every vote should be count.
"Yeah, well, what if I want to vote Monday."
"Screw you, procrastinator."
The irony struck me.
Election day is Tuesday April 21.
I believe they will accept ballots until next Friday
I went to cast a ballot early today and was told early voting ended Friday at close of play.
The Democrats love early voting. They are okay with late voting, but dadgummit, they hate Monday voting. Thank of all the Monday voters who are disfranchised by the system.
Really just a comment on the one weird exception. We hear all the time about how every vote should be count.
"Yeah, well, what if I want to vote Monday."
"Screw you, procrastinator."
The irony struck me.
georgia has had early voting that ends the friday before voting day since they expanded early voting in the mid aughts
Yeah, I get that there has to be a cut-off. I really did want to vote yesterday and found out I would have to wait for today. Not the end of the world.
What I had read somewhere in Georgia was there there are extremely long waiting times in some (mostly black) precincts. If true, that is shameful and needs to get fixed. Voting in Hooterville will take me ten minutes from the time I open my car door until I am back in my car driving away. That should be the standard.
we have three weeks of early voting and it’s always been very smooth and easy. fulton county always has locations that are very convenient to me. i haven’t voted on an actual election day since probably 2006, but i do see regular reports of long lines for the big elections and that is ridiculous
I'm going to go on record predicting "Yes" will win. Virginia, which is currently not gerrymandered (districts are drawn by a nonpartisan committee told to place similarly-situated people together), will become gerrymandered. The "Yes" campaign has assured voters that this will be a "temporary measure," but I will also predict that this will not be a temporary measure. Unless the Republicans win back the General Assembly in the next election, this will become the standard.
Everybody agrees gerrymandering is ridiculous. Virginia, on a bipartisan basis, agreed to take this out of politicians' hands to get a more disinterested district map. This was a good decision that gave the Democrats the majority of congressional seats. Now, we are about to undo that good decision.
Everybody agrees gerrymandering is ridiculous. Virginia, on a bipartisan basis, agreed to take this out of politicians' hands to get a more disinterested district map. This was a good decision that gave the Democrats the majority of congressional seats. Now, we are about to undo that good decision.
On a not very related note, US Senator Mark Warner (D, Va) lost his daughter today from complications due to juvenile diabetes. She was 37.
Condolences, Senator Warner.
Condolences, Senator Warner.
NYT Gift Article
Virginia voters approved a plan on Tuesday to gerrymander the state’s congressional map to significantly favor Democrats, according to The Associated Press. The new map could eliminate four of the state’s five Republican-held seats for the 2026 midterm elections, giving Democrats a significant boost in their quest to regain control of the House.
The victory by Democrats in Virginia brings the national redistricting war roughly to a draw, effectively blunting the advantage Republicans built last year when they redrew maps for a partisan edge in Texas and other states. Beyond the red-versus-blue calculations, the vote is likely to further buoy Democrats as they seek to capitalize on President Trump’s low approval ratings and the unpopular war with Iran.
The rare spring election drew tens of millions of dollars in ad spending and unexpectedly high turnout during the early and absentee voting period, when nearly 1.4 million people cast ballots. But turnout on Election Day appeared to be considerably lower than it was during the 2025 governor’s race.
House maps are usually drawn only once a decade, after the census, to adjust for population changes. But last year, at President Trump’s request, Texas Republicans redrew their districts to create five more seats for their party. That kicked off an unusual mid-decade redistricting arms race as both parties vied for an advantage.
Virginia’s referendum is likely to be the last redistricting attempt by Democrats before the midterms, but it is not the final front.
Republicans in Florida, led by Gov. Ron DeSantis, have signaled that they will redraw the state’s lines. And if the Supreme Court strikes down a critical provision of the Voting Rights Act that effectively bans racial gerrymandering, a number of Republican-led states, largely in the South, could try to push through new maps before November.
Election Live Updates: Virginia Passes New Map, Lifting Democrats’ Midterm Chances
The state’s voters approved a map that could give Democrats four more House seats, putting the party on more even footing in the nation’s gerrymandering war.Virginia voters approved a plan on Tuesday to gerrymander the state’s congressional map to significantly favor Democrats, according to The Associated Press. The new map could eliminate four of the state’s five Republican-held seats for the 2026 midterm elections, giving Democrats a significant boost in their quest to regain control of the House.
The victory by Democrats in Virginia brings the national redistricting war roughly to a draw, effectively blunting the advantage Republicans built last year when they redrew maps for a partisan edge in Texas and other states. Beyond the red-versus-blue calculations, the vote is likely to further buoy Democrats as they seek to capitalize on President Trump’s low approval ratings and the unpopular war with Iran.
The rare spring election drew tens of millions of dollars in ad spending and unexpectedly high turnout during the early and absentee voting period, when nearly 1.4 million people cast ballots. But turnout on Election Day appeared to be considerably lower than it was during the 2025 governor’s race.
House maps are usually drawn only once a decade, after the census, to adjust for population changes. But last year, at President Trump’s request, Texas Republicans redrew their districts to create five more seats for their party. That kicked off an unusual mid-decade redistricting arms race as both parties vied for an advantage.
Virginia’s referendum is likely to be the last redistricting attempt by Democrats before the midterms, but it is not the final front.
Republicans in Florida, led by Gov. Ron DeSantis, have signaled that they will redraw the state’s lines. And if the Supreme Court strikes down a critical provision of the Voting Rights Act that effectively bans racial gerrymandering, a number of Republican-led states, largely in the South, could try to push through new maps before November.
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