Decline of the DNC V

I would like to see Kelly, Ossoff, and Beshear fight for the nomination.

Yes, I look forward to their answers as to whether or not men can have babies. It has become the “who won the 2020 election” question for Democrats.

Kelly looking like an old man at the local gym who cut his hair look tough isn’t going to help. Ossof being Jewish is likely to be a liability in the current climate. (There’s no way an Al Gore would pick Lieberman today). And the selling point on Beshear is, “Well, he’s a white guy who can win in the south,” but I don’t know that that matters as much as it once did.

The thing now is this: every single candidate nowadays has had virtually every public utterance they’ve ever made recorded and preserved, and it is filed away and the opposing party’s archives ready to be pulled at any moment. The days when a candidate could appear one place and say something that could be twisted to be controversial, but was not recorded our long gone. And nowadays, you have to be able to react within 24 seconds as opposed to 24 hours.

A lot of the problem with our politics is not the politicians, it really is us. And the political parties function as gatekeepers to prevent anyone who might deviate in the slightest from what each party is decided is politically correct. Trump is still an outlier and he benefited from the fact the Republican Party decided they just don’t really believe anything at all, except that whatever Democrats believe must be godless, communist, and really bad.

And just because most of it is, doesn’t mean it all is.
 

Move over, Maine. A new Democratic primary has taken the crown as the country’s most dysfunctional.

In Wisconsin’s gubernatorial race, a crowded field of establishment-tied Democrats has been splitting the vote for months, giving democratic socialist Francesca Hong’s energetic campaign a lane to the nomination.

Recently, fearing Hong would lose the general election (and spooked by a seeming Republican effort to boost her chances), some in the party tried to coalesce around one candidate to stop her: Lt. Gov. Sara Rodriguez.

But that attempt disastrously backfired last week, when it turned out Rodriguez’s campaign had badly mismanaged its funds. It’s still not clear what happened, but the situation was so messy that she quit the race.

With Rodriguez gone, the two leading contenders appeared to be Hong and Mandela Barnes, the former lieutenant governor who was Democrats’ losing nominee for a Senate race in 2022.

Yet, party bigwigs were unhappy with those options and coaxed a candidate who had already dropped out — Milwaukee County executive David Crowley — back into the race, even though the primary is only three weeks away.

This weekend, Gov. Tony Evers endorsed Crowley in a last-ditch attempt to stop Hong (and, apparently, Barnes) from winning the nomination.

The chaos is all the more shocking ...
 
This does not fall under the concept of “decline,” but I figured I may as well just put this here rather than start a new thread that might last a day or two.



South Carolina is poised to hold the first Democratic presidential nominating contest in 2028 after the Democratic National Committee’s powerful rules committee voted to keep the state at the front of the line.

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Not that anyone cares what I think, but I actually do think this is a very smart idea politically. Let’s face it, blacks are the most reliable and core constituency of the party, so certainly having their say plan an important role should be something sought after.

Let me add that this dramatically reduces the chances that either Mayor Pete, or Khartoum Cortez (named after the unfortunate horse that lost his head in the movie, “The Godfather”). This is part of what’s wrong with dangling the New Hampshire primary numbers in front of everyone, this is no longer 1968 or 1988 or even 2008.

The one value in the New Hampshire primary was, it was the kind of primary and a small enough state that an also ran or a candidate, barely known by the voters like Jimmy Carter could make contact with those voters, and the voters could make an informed decision regarding who should represent the party.

It’s also pretty much the whitest state in America, which doesn’t make for good Democratic nominees necessarily.
 
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This does not fall under the concept of “decline,” but I figured I may as well just put this here rather than start a new thread that might last a day or two.



South Carolina is poised to hold the first Democratic presidential nominating contest in 2028 after the Democratic National Committee’s powerful rules committee voted to keep the state at the front of the line.

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Not that anyone cares what I think, but I actually do think this is a very smart idea politically. Let’s face it, blacks are the most reliable and core constituency of the party, so certainly having their say plan an important role should be something sought after.

Let me add that this dramatically reduces the chances that either Mayor Pete, or Khartoum Cortez (named after the unfortunate horse that lost his head in the movie, “The Godfather”). This is part of what’s wrong with dangling the New Hampshire primary numbers in front of everyone, this is no longer 1968 or 1988 or even 2008.

The one value in the New Hampshire primary was, it was the kind of primary and a small enough state that an also ran or a candidate, barely known by the voters like Jimmy Carter could make contact with those voters, and the voters could make an informed decision regarding who should represent the party.

It’s also pretty much the whitest state in America, which doesn’t make for good Democratic nominees necessarily.
In what sense is it the "whitest?" It's around a quarter or so black, about the same as Alabama...
 
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This does not fall under the concept of “decline,” but I figured I may as well just put this here rather than start a new thread that might last a day or two.



South Carolina is poised to hold the first Democratic presidential nominating contest in 2028 after the Democratic National Committee’s powerful rules committee voted to keep the state at the front of the line.

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Not that anyone cares what I think, but I actually do think this is a very smart idea politically. Let’s face it, blacks are the most reliable and core constituency of the party, so certainly having their say plan an important role should be something sought after.

Let me add that this dramatically reduces the chances that either Mayor Pete, or Khartoum Cortez (named after the unfortunate horse that lost his head in the movie, “The Godfather”). This is part of what’s wrong with dangling the New Hampshire primary numbers in front of everyone, this is no longer 1968 or 1988 or even 2008.

The one value in the New Hampshire primary was, it was the kind of primary and a small enough state that an also ran or a candidate, barely known by the voters like Jimmy Carter could make contact with those voters, and the voters could make an informed decision regarding who should represent the party.

It’s also pretty much the whitest state in America, which doesn’t make for good Democratic nominees necessarily.
I'd rather see a national primary to eliminate the influence of early voting on the voters psyche to follow the leader.
 
I'd rather see a national primary to eliminate the influence of early voting on the voters psyche to follow the leader.

So would I.

Now...tell me the following:

1) how are you going to pay for this?
2) how is this going to change the fact that if you START in a swing state like Michigan and the governor or senator of Michigan just happens to be running (or now decides to run because they're first) - how will this change the media horse race coverage that almost always results in the winner of one of the first two contests growing in polls and popularity and wiping out everyone else?



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Here's the thing: the very idea you're proposing is actually what led the Democrats (amazingly enough, almost any reform made to the primary process comes from them - and it almost always backfires into the one result they never wanted, too) in the 1970s. When McGovern got clobbered - seriously, go look at the vote totals in the South* - the Southern Democrats across the spectrum tossed out the idea of "a regional primary." Carter's win stifled that discussion but after Mondale got smoked in 1984, that's when they created Super Tuesday.

"Hey, look at us! We created a REGIONAL PRIMARY that will ensure we don't throw up a northern liberal as the party nominee. Ain't gotta be conservative. A moderate is fine, just somebody who can win more than 20% of the white vote in the South!"

The result? Michael Dukakis, often confused as the next Goldwater-Reagan-Buckley.



* - Alabama (72-25), Mississippi (78-19), Georgia (75-24), SCAR (70-28), NC (70-29), Florida (72-28), Texas (66-33, four years after Humphrey won it).
 
So would I.

Now...tell me the following:

1) how are you going to pay for this?
2) how is this going to change the fact that if you START in a swing state like Michigan and the governor or senator of Michigan just happens to be running (or now decides to run because they're first) - how will this change the media horse race coverage that almost always results in the winner of one of the first two contests growing in polls and popularity and wiping out everyone else?



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Here's the thing: the very idea you're proposing is actually what led the Democrats (amazingly enough, almost any reform made to the primary process comes from them - and it almost always backfires into the one result they never wanted, too) in the 1970s. When McGovern got clobbered - seriously, go look at the vote totals in the South* - the Southern Democrats across the spectrum tossed out the idea of "a regional primary." Carter's win stifled that discussion but after Mondale got smoked in 1984, that's when they created Super Tuesday.

"Hey, look at us! We created a REGIONAL PRIMARY that will ensure we don't throw up a northern liberal as the party nominee. Ain't gotta be conservative. A moderate is fine, just somebody who can win more than 20% of the white vote in the South!"

The result? Michael Dukakis, often confused as the next Goldwater-Reagan-Buckley.



* - Alabama (72-25), Mississippi (78-19), Georgia (75-24), SCAR (70-28), NC (70-29), Florida (72-28), Texas (66-33, four years after Humphrey won it).
It would need to be instituted by the parties. The devil is in the details.
 
It would need to be instituted by the parties. The devil is in the details.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying in the abstract.

Do you really think that if, say, AOC was to win the Presidency in 2028 that she's going to spend any of her tiny bit of political capital on "hey, let's change this system THAT ELECTED ME into something else?"

The leaders who win the nomination (or the White House) always think the system is perfect. It's the losers who come up with "we need to change this," not that they're wrong.

They're just usually not in a position to change it without being suspected of ulterior motives.
 
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The propaganda almost seems to will the weakest candidate to the top of the ticket for either party. And the propaganda works because people are that lazy when voting.

This is correct, but there's more to it than that - it's just nobody really wants to admit it.

In Jules Witcover's "Marathon," a massive book that covers Carter winning the 1976 election, he lays out the Carter plan to get the nomination and their press strategy long before it really got going. One thing they decided early on was the reality that "there exists an Eastern liberal news establishment which has tremendous influence in this country all out of proportion to its actual audience" (p 114). But their advantage was that a number of these people were BORN IN THE SOUTH and probably (subconsciously) would love to see the South move beyond George Wallace (who, yes, ran in 1976).

The reality nobody likes to hear is that press coverage is - at least WAS - often determined by such superficial things as whether they liked the accommodations on the plane or at the hotel, whether the candidate was nice to them personally, if they had a pet issue, and other things that in most cases have nothing to do with who should be President.

I've used this example previously but in 1984, the news media told us that even though he LOST 7 of 9 contests (six of them to Gary Hart, Hawaii to uncommitted), two things happened: 1) his spin patrol had framed the narrative to the networks that the two IMPORTANT contests were Alabama and Georgia, which Mondale won; 2) the news media went with it uncritically, largely because (wait for it) they didn't care much for Gary Hart going back to his days as McGovern's adviser.

Tom Brokaw got the ball rolling with, "Walter Mondale, alive and well tonight in his race for the Democratic presidential nomination, thanking, as he put it, his friends in the South. And well he might, because they have kept him in this race tonight." Then when going over the results showing Mondale got clobbered - indeed, his own advisers have said since then if he'd lost Alabama, he'd have had to withdraw, that's how close it was - Brokaw told the whole country that Hart won these contests "as expected", diminishing it.

Roger Mudd, helping Brokaw, was even worse. When Hart was pointing out what I've just pointed out here, that basically he had bombed Mondale all across America, Mudd said: "But you didn’t win in Georgia and you didn’t win in Alabama, so really all you won was Florida, which isn’t a true southern state. So you’re really not a national candidate yet, are you?"

Can you imagine the level of brainwashing and lobotomy necessary to even try something like that?
But NBC got away with it.

Peter Jennings was not nearly so entranced, but he wasn't much better:
I was just thinking that if you’d arrived in this country tonight from outer space, you would have thought Hart was the big winner. Two states, two biggest states, Massachusetts and Florida. But because Walter Mondale set so many of the expectations for the South tonight, it looks, as I think we’re pretty well describing it, as pretty much of a standoff."

Let me translate what Jennings just said: "Most of us don't know Hart, we've known Mondale since 1964, and he told us this was what was necessary for him to be successful. And we're going with it even though anyone with a brain can look at this and see who is the actual national candidate."



Of course, we're now in the Internet age so there's less excuse for whether one knows a person's positions. But they know less. Ten years ago I made a reference to a guy in his early 30s about Johnny Carson and after I finished he said, "Who's Johnny Carson?"


Funny.


I didn't have You Tube in 1978, but I know who Ed Sullivan, Red Skelton, Soupy Sales, Jack Paar, Jackie Gleason, and Steve Allen were without even having seen one second of their shows.
 
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Always liked Jennings. Very committed to telling the news like was. Hated by both sides!

Unlike poor Gunga Dan who made the wrong choice in "Choose your own press adventure #34" the book.
I miss those Choose Your Own Adventure books. They should re-launce them, but updated for the modern age and more educational. They could teach kids about the consequences of making bad life-choices. For instance, I'd like to see an ending that says, "After being an insufferable douche for 20 years, you die lonely and forgotten in your parents' basement with your hand down your pants." Or how about, "After becoming a baby-daddy to 12 different women, you realize you can no longer live under the crushing weight of child support so you go into the closet and hang yourself with a belt." I think I've got a real winner of an idea here.
 
I miss those Choose Your Own Adventure books. They should re-launce them, but updated for the modern age and more educational. They could teach kids about the consequences of making bad life-choices. For instance, I'd like to see an ending that says, "After being an insufferable douche for 20 years, you die lonely and forgotten in your parents' basement with your hand down your pants." Or how about, "After becoming a baby-daddy to 12 different women, you realize you can no longer live under the crushing weight of child support so you go into the closet and hang yourself with a belt." I think I've got a real winner of an idea here.
Most kids don't read now unless you're talking about words on a tiktok video...
 
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