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One can be written a citation for throwing out a cigarette butt or even a candy wrapper. I doubt any LEO would write a ticket for releasing a balloon even though it is probably more damaging to the environment.
As they should be. That many LEOs are too lazy to enforce the laws on the books isn't surprising but also doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to limit things harmful to the environment.
 
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As they should be. That many LEOs are too lazy to enforce the laws on the books isn't surprising but also doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to limit things harmful to the environment.
I can agree with that. We need to ban wind farms. Those giant windmills are not only destructive to the actual beauty of the landscape but they are also not recyclable and actually use a large amount of oil for lubrication.
 

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I can agree with that. We need to ban wind farms. Those giant windmills are not only destructive to the actual beauty of the landscape but they are also not recyclable and actually use a large amount of oil for lubrication.
Actually, they are largely recyclable. Australia is hitting up to 95%, as is the company Siemens. The oil they use for lubrication is tiny in proportion to engines which actually burn oil. As for aesthetics, that's individual taste. I don't find them attractive in Germany, where it seems every ridge has a line of them. OTOH, I don't think offshore drilling rigs are very attractive either...
 

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Actually, they are largely recyclable. Australia is hitting up to 95%, as is the company Siemens. The oil they use for lubrication is tiny in proportion to engines which actually burn oil. As for aesthetics, that's individual taste. I don't find them attractive in Germany, where it seems every ridge has a line of them. OTOH, I don't think offshore drilling rigs are very attractive either...
Using oil without burning it does not contribute to global warming. We need oil for food production (fertilizer). We DON'T need to be burning it.

Diesel engines can burn whatever they want and not add to global warming as long as they burn fuel grown on the surface of the earth. We don't want to return to the climate of 65 million years ago.
 
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Actually, they are largely recyclable. Australia is hitting up to 95%, as is the company Siemens. The oil they use for lubrication is tiny in proportion to engines which actually burn oil. As for aesthetics, that's individual taste. I don't find them attractive in Germany, where it seems every ridge has a line of them. OTOH, I don't think offshore drilling rigs are very attractive either...
Your response intrigued me so I went looking. From what I found, the older mills had smaller gearboxes used about 10 gallons of oil for lubrication. Current, newer mills gearboxes are much larger and require about 60 gallons of oil. They also need to have the oil changed out from 18 months to every 3 years. That is A LOT more oil than oil used in engines.
As for the aesthetics, I would much rather see an offshore rig or two within miles of one another rather than this:

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And we haven't even touched on the issue of offshore wind farms which affect migration patterns of both birds and sea life.
 

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Using oil without burning it does not contribute to global warming. We need oil for food production (fertilizer). We DON'T need to be burning it.

Diesel engines can burn whatever they want and not add to global warming as long as they burn fuel grown on the surface of the earth. We don't want to return to the climate of 65 million years ago.


Without "global warming" and cooling, there would be no such thing as seasons. You know that, right?
 
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That is A LOT more oil than oil used in engines.
Where do you go in a windmill?

What I'm getting to is this:

Why are you comparing windmills to engines?

Isn't the comparison other methods of producing electricity for the grid?

And even if there was a comparison somewhere that is valid, don't you also have to take into account the relative amounts of oil used for production of a similar amount of energy or work done?

The comparison you've made doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Where do you go in a windmill?

What I'm getting to is this:

Why are you comparing windmills to engines?

Isn't the comparison other methods of producing electricity for the grid?

And even if there was a comparison somewhere that is valid, don't you also have to take into account the relative amounts of oil used for production of a similar amount of energy or work done?

The comparison you've made doesn't make sense to me.
IMO, it should all come down to carbon footprint, cradle to grave.
 

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IMO, it should all come down to carbon footprint, cradle to grave.
I feel like the discussion is probably more appropriate for the climate change thread, but if one rejects the premise that CO2 makes any difference in spite of the overwhelming scientific evidence (drink!) to the contrary then one need not worry about such things.
 

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Where do you go in a windmill?

What I'm getting to is this:

Why are you comparing windmills to engines?

Isn't the comparison other methods of producing electricity for the grid?

And even if there was a comparison somewhere that is valid, don't you also have to take into account the relative amounts of oil used for production of a similar amount of energy or work done?

The comparison you've made doesn't make sense to me.
Where does one go in a windmill? Do you mean where is the oil used or what? That question seems very vague to me.

The Green New deal proponents want to abolish all use of fossil fuels of which, oil is one. A car engine uses from 4-6 quarts and typically needs that changed 3-5 times per year. Windmills require 60 gallons and needs to be changed much less frequently but still require more oil. Remember, oil (fossil fuel) is bad... where is the research into alternative lubricants to replace them? Oh, synthetic oils. Not much better for the environment actually...
 

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I feel like the discussion is probably more appropriate for the climate change thread, but if one rejects the premise that CO2 makes any difference in spite of the overwhelming scientific evidence (drink!) to the contrary then one need not worry about such things.
The argument of "global warming" or as it is called currently, climate change, has been decried for 50+ years and there really hasn't come true yet. As I said earlier, without warming and cooling there would be no seasons. Nothing the climate protesters have ever stated has really proven to be harmful to the world. I'm sure that you or someone will bring up some study that debunks that statement. However, the U.S. has a very low carbon footprint compared to places like China so why are the climate protesters going to China to demand they change how they do things?
 

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The argument of "global warming" or as it is called currently, climate change, has been decried for 50+ years and there really hasn't come true yet. As I said earlier, without warming and cooling there would be no seasons. Nothing the climate protesters have ever stated has really proven to be harmful to the world. I'm sure that you or someone will bring up some study that debunks that statement. However, the U.S. has a very low carbon footprint compared to places like China so why are the climate protesters going to China to demand they change how they do things?
First, I believe 'climate change' was a term coined by the right (Luntz?). Second, by all measurements, it is real and it is here. The science is indisputable. Third, protesting in China would not go too well!
 
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