Alabama QB competition article

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Yea. Specifically when he is forced from the pocket. He also tends to leave the pocket less quickly (again at least so far).
I'm sure some would say he stays too long sometimes (2nd & 26) :). However, I've looked at the play numerous times and we had blocking letdowns on both side. It was the rightside breakdown which killed us on that play. When Tua pivoted back to his left, the other rusher was there waiting. I'm not so sure he was out of the tackle box for throwaway purposes. I probably don't blame his greeness as much as some pundits have...
 
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I've tried to stay away for the most part, I'm not sure what more can be said. I think any doubt about who the starter will be was settled at A-Day. Hurts showed stunted progress (I think some of that is simply being a victim of circumstance), if Tua is healthy he's the guy. Frankly, I thought it was over after the championship game. I fully expected Hurts to do what a lot of QBs in that situation would do, just go elsewhere. Ironically, he seemed to take things so well, maturely handling his benching and behaving in the right way, that he got himself back into the conversation. I'm not sure that conversation has turned out to be helpful to anyone though.

I don't blame Hurts or even his mother really (the political nonsense aside) for their frustration. I got frustrated, and I probably said it a few times. What if he or his parents are reading some of the things people are saying about him? The stoic nature, the fact that his family remained silent until his father's infamous remarks, in some ways this seemed to fuel the negative comments. It was like punching a dummy, you could take your shot, say he can't play quarterback, someone else couldn't possibly do worse, say you'd quit watching Alabama football if he started, and he just kept taking the hits and not saying anything. Even if none of those statements ever reached Hurts or his family, clearly some of the negativity did. I admire the fact that for the most part they stayed silent (and in era in which family members and even players routinely spar on Twitter and the like).

So here we are. Hurts said more than he should have, his mother said more than she should have, but I can empathize. Part of my defense of Hurts was not at all about thinking he was better than Tua, it was just frustration with the negativity. I didn't think he deserved that, so I argued, and said things I shouldn't, and put my own foot in my mouth to defend him. I think this situation is a reminder though, and I mean this for people on both sides, even if we're not trying to be mean, or inflammatory, it's still easy to do. We speak our mind, but it can be kind of shocking to see someone else speak their mind. I didn't like Hurts speaking his mind really, I didn't really like his mother speaking her mind, but that's also what a lot of us have been doing for a long time.

I still see this issue as over. Tua is the starter, Hurts doesn't have the tools right now to catch up. I'd like him around as a backup, I think he's good, but Tua is better.
 
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I've tried to stay away for the most part, I'm not sure what more can be said. I think any doubt about who the starter will be was settled at A-Day. Hurts showed stunted progress (I think some of that is simply being a victim of circumstance), if Tua is healthy he's the guy. Frankly, I thought it was over after the championship game. I fully expected Hurts to do what a lot of QBs in that situation would do, just go elsewhere. Ironically, he seemed to take things so well, maturely handling his benching and behaving in the right way, that he got himself back into the conversation. I'm not sure that conversation has turned out to be helpful to anyone though.

I don't blame Hurts or even his mother really (the political nonsense aside) for their frustration. I got frustrated, and I probably said it a few times. What if he or his parents are reading some of the things people are saying about him? The stoic nature, the fact that his family remained silent until his father's infamous remarks, in some ways this seemed to fuel the negative comments. It was like punching a dummy, you could take your shot, say he can't play quarterback, someone else couldn't possibly do worse, say you'd quit watching Alabama football if he started, and he just kept taking the hits and not saying anything. Even if none of those statements ever reached Hurts or his family, clearly some of the negativity did. I admire the fact that for the most part they stayed silent (and in era in which family members and even players routinely spar on Twitter and the like).

So here we are. Hurts said more than he should have, his mother said more than she should have, but I can empathize. Part of my defense of Hurts was not at all about thinking he was better than Tua, it was just frustration with the negativity. I didn't think he deserved that, so I argued, and said things I shouldn't, and put my own foot in my mouth to defend him. I think this situation is a reminder though, and I mean this for people on both sides, even if we're not trying to be mean, or inflammatory, it's still easy to do. We speak our mind, but it can be kind of shocking to see someone else speak their mind. I didn't like Hurts speaking his mind really, I didn't really like his mother speaking her mind, but that's also what a lot of us have been doing for a long time.

I still see this issue as over. Tua is the starter, Hurts doesn't have the tools right now to catch up. I'd like him around as a backup, I think he's good, but Tua is better.
I think, by and large, you always made your point clear that you were defending Hurts from what you thought were inaccurate criticisms. And in that specific regard you were largely successful. The nature of this event is that things have tended to landslide and unfair and untrue criticisms have been Levied against Hurts. Your take is basically my take. He's almost surely not the better of the 2 QB's and he has MANY things to work on.
 
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Krazy3 I understand where you are coming from but I just wanted to add that honestly for the most part no one has really taken low blow shots criticizing Jalen.

I mean I haven't read every single post everywhere but I haven't seen a vocal faction saying he can't play QB at all or no one could play worse or that people would flat not watch the team if he was the starter.

I mean those things could have been said but it must have been an isolated few.

Most of us have just been saying that he's seemingly hit his ceiling and that Tua is so far advanced at QB that Jalen just can't outplay him.

It's not that Jalen is 'terrible'.....If Tua wasn't on the team he would almost certainly be the Starter this year (although Mac Jones would be pushing him for playing time also)....

Tua is on the team though..... and he's just a better QB than Jalen....period.

Outside of that though the majority of everyone chiming in have said that they respect, appreciate, and love Jalen and that he has been a great teammate and class act all around.

So to me.... it's not accurate to say a narrative has been created of Alabama fans just taking inflammatory pot shots at the kid non stop.

I would say the majority of us hope he can find future success in whatever form that takes. It's just that it's highly unlikely to happen at Alabama playing QB going forward.
 
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Cole Cubelic was apoplectic yesterday on the point that "no one" talked to Jalen. Basically said the guy has been in the program for three springs and two seasons and he can't get with his OC or position coach? Come on.

I would agree with Cole if he had the same OC and position coach for three springs and two seasons. He does not so this comfort level he is trying to portray is a false narrative.
I don't think he meant brand in the literal sense, only "brand" talk I've heard was from his father. More likely just poor choice of words.
I 100% agree with you. I was at a practice listening to an AAU coach in Houston talking to some pretty advanced level 12u basketball players mostly African American kids. and he was talking to them about their brand. Not once did he mention endorsement deals. His focus was on being good ambassadors in the community. If they were to encounter with the police will their brands be this kid is a knuckle head he probably did it or this is a great kid lets talk to him. He emphasized their responsibility in building their own brand and living up to it.
Oh, and I think Hurts meant exactly what he said when talking about having built for himself a "brand". It seems all about Jalen, and not the team.

Not surprised you feel that way considering your prior post before this interview took place.
 
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I don't know that I would read to much into that. Career counselors and advisors will often tell people to build their brand. I'd be surprised if the staff at UA didn't bring in speaker to talk to the players about things like this and how important it is in life, not just sports, to build a 'brand' or reputation that people know you by.

I have seen several times where Saban has mentioned players building their own 'brand' and this is part of their education inside the building. Saban has said doing something stupid or immature hurts your brand. Jalen using that word is not a selfish thing but rather something all players are being taught, however, the rest of his interview did not help his brand.
 
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Not surprised you feel that way considering your prior post before this interview took place.

After listening to first the Dad (who started this "narrative Jalen talked about), then Jalen, and now the Mom making it all about Jalen, rather than the team, then evidently I wasn't wrong. Some people are spinning every all of his comments; from "Nobody talked to me", to "it's too late", to "the coaches don't control this", to his making himself a brand, and tried to spin every point, rather than taking what he actually said at face value.
 
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IMO, teams preparing for Tua have to prepare for everything that Jalen can do with his legs on top of the elite passing game that Tua brings. Tua is a very good runner, and he extends plays with his legs better than Jalen does.

Exactly. Jalen runs to run, I could see Tua pulling up and hitting a receiver instead of streaking down the field. Tua's running is like AJ's: last resort but deadly.


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Brand seems to often be synonymous with reputation. Essentially a substitute, though some do include the thought of commercialization.
 
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Brand seems to often be synonymous with reputation. Essentially a substitute, though some do include the thought of commercialization.
That was my son's take - brand = rep. My son is Jalen's age.
 
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I remember a few instances of Calvin Ridley being visibly irritated and throwing his hands up
kind of like when Hurts missed him wide open in the end zone after the UGA db fell down?
even the first td pass against Clemson was harder than it needed to be. CR was wide open at the top of the dig route. nobody within 10 yds of him and Jalen just "didn't see it"
 
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Krazy3 I understand where you are coming from but I just wanted to add that honestly for the most part no one has really taken low blow shots criticizing Jalen.
I'd agree with that, and I didn't really mean to convey that.
So to me.... it's not accurate to say a narrative has been created of Alabama fans just taking inflammatory pot shots at the kid non stop.
To clarify as best I can, with perhaps the actions of one or two posters aside, I think the discussion was mostly honest feedback and no ill will intended. I guess I was trying to speak more towards the cumulative effect and in some way the kind of visceral emotional reactions people can have. I freely admit I had kind of defensive reactions to post, I at certain points went beyond just objectively discussing the issue, to just reflexively defending Hurts. It usually wasn't the first or second post before I jumped into the fray, it would be page 2 or 3, or a particular comment and I'd finally feel like I needed to say something. I honestly still think there's a fixation on certain mistakes, and a lack of appreciation for other things. That reaction wasn't always constructive, or really necessary though, but it has made me sympathetic to that sort of reaction.

But to take a step back and make this crystal clear, I wasn't trying to call out posters here. Not at all. I just speaking to how just honest thoughts on the matter can be taken certain ways. I mean at this point we're being honest, Hurts is being honest, is family is being honest, Saban is being honest, and depending on your perspective some of those parties are in the wrong. My main takeaway on that is at the end of the day I don't think any of those parties are really intended to stir up trouble or be problematic. They just said what they saw as the truth.
 
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Doesn't appear that this has hurt the locker room, and that is the most important thing.
 
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Exactly. Jalen runs to run, I could see Tua pulling up and hitting a receiver instead of streaking down the field. Tua's running is like AJ's: last resort but deadly.


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AJ was never a good runner though, Tua reminds me of Russell Wilson running.
 
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That was my son's take - brand = rep. My son is Jalen's age.

Exactly, I’m 21 and those are the type of words we use today, same as “clout” aka popularity or rep. By next week, this whole Jalen Hurts shoot promo will be a thing of the past and we can go back to actually talking about the QB battle between Jalen and Tua and not free agency, transfers, Hurts’ parents, or whatever think piece some reporter typed up for a few clicks.
 
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All the greats have "it". Jalen has it as an athlete. Tua has it as a QB. We need a QB, plain and simple. Jalen has been a phenomenal young man and athlete. He has done a wonderful job QB'ing the team to two straight title games as a Frosh and Soph. Outstanding accomplishments with his team. I hope his time at Alabama has the ending it deserves and that he is remembered fondly when all is said and done.
 
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kind of like when Hurts missed him wide open in the end zone after the UGA db fell down?
even the first td pass against Clemson was harder than it needed to be. CR was wide open at the top of the dig route. nobody within 10 yds of him and Jalen just "didn't see it"

Just like that.........I can understand the “mutiny” in the locker room at halftime we hear so much about...... hit those passes, and UGA is playing catch up from way behind........very frustrating
 
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AJ was never a good runner though, Tua reminds me of Russell Wilson running.

I think you are confusing "good" with other words like "fast" but when I think about a good runner that means he's effective when he does it.

AJ was "good" in that he knew exactly when to take off. Now I'm not talking about "scrambling" ability and avoiding getting sacked under pressure. Yes, I think Tua will be much better than AJ about that.

But AJ had a good "feel" for when the called play was covered to the point that (when green grass was in front of him) he knew when he could take off and get a sizeable gain. I think he was very "good" at understanding this. He wasn't a "fast" runner (probably 4.8 on the 40 if I had to guess) but he was deadly at times to improvise and get an easy 5 to 10 yards when receivers weren't open.
 
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All the greats have "it". Jalen has it as an athlete. Tua has it as a QB. We need a QB, plain and simple. Jalen has been a phenomenal young man and athlete. He has done a wonderful job QB'ing the team to two straight title games as a Frosh and Soph. Outstanding accomplishments with his team. I hope his time at Alabama has the ending it deserves and that he is remembered fondly when all is said and done.


I agree 100%, I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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