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Alabama QB competition article

BamaMoon said:
Jalen is confident in one thing - his feet. It doesn't mean he's not a good person, but it doesn't translate into being a good QB.
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His Dad is doing him a disservice if he is telling him he has NFL QB potential. He should be realistic and get him to focus on a position that he can play at the next level. He has a ton of athletic ability- just needs a position to play other than QB.

Having said that - I am sure that there are a lot of places he can play QB in college if that is what he is dead set on doing.


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Snuffy Smith said:
His Dad is doing him a disservice if he is telling him he has NFL QB potential. He should be realistic and get him to focus on a position that he can play at the next level. He has a ton of athletic ability- just needs a position to play other than QB.

Having said that - I am sure that there are a lot of places he can play QB in college if that is what he is dead set on doing.


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He will never play in the NFL. His professional career is all about what he does off the field.


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We've beat this to death. Many of you insisted that Tua will start and Jalen will never play in NFL. You never know what will happen these days.. Never says never. I've been stressing all long that we need to let it play out and see how it goes.. and whatever Saban decides.. we need to be okay with that. Saban will not mess up a program over a QB. We have little over a month to go before the season starts.
 
The QB battle was played out on the biggest stage of college football. The Tua/Jalen debate was contentious at times. No one likes to be on the losing side of a debate. I believe one reason why some people keep beating the issue to death is they do not want to admit they were wrong.
 
westide said:
The QB battle was played out on the biggest stage of college football. The Tua/Jalen debate was contentious at times. No one likes to be on the losing side of a debate. I believe one reason why some people keep beating the issue to death is they do not want to admit they were wrong.
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I haven't seen the sort of division you reference, wes.

To my mind, the TF consensus, with little to no dissent, is that Tua is a better QB, and gives us the best chance to win a game that matters.

There is a bit of debate (though not a lot), as to who might take the first snap against Louisville. And there are several takes on why that might be.

But I don't remember seeing anyone who thinks that, barring injury, Tua isn't the undisputed starter by Ole Miss. Most think he will be before then. Even under the injury scenario, there's a significant minority that thinks the successor would be Mac Jones, not Jalen.

Where are you seeing a material number of posters advocating Jalen as the better QB? To be clear -- not the starter against Louisville...the better QB?
 
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JustNeedMe81 said:
I've been stressing all long that we need to let it play out and see how it goes.. and whatever Saban decides.. we need to be okay with that. Saban will not mess up a program over a QB. .
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Why should we not "speculate" until CNS decides? Kinda misses the point of what we do here.

But it's that last statement that makes me think there's no way Jalen plays over Tua.
 
4Q Basket Case said:
I haven't seen the sort of division you reference, wes.

To my mind, the TF consensus, with little to no dissent, is that Tua is a better QB, and gives us the best chance to win a game that matters.

There is a bit of debate (though not a lot), as to who might take the first snap against Louisville. And there are several takes on why that might be.

But I don't remember seeing anyone who thinks that, barring injury, Tua isn't the undisputed starter by Ole Miss. Most think he will be before then. Even under the injury scenario, there's a significant minority that thinks the successor would be Mac Jones, not Jalen.

Where are you seeing a material number of posters advocating Jalen as the better QB? To be clear -- not the starter against Louisville...the better QB?
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I wasn't referring to the Tua/Jalen debate just in this specific thread, but the debate that started during the end of last season. There were some who thought Tua should have played in the the Auburn game and against Clemson. Of course, others disagreed. Even in the Championship game thread there were those who believed Jalen should start the second half. I didn't state that anyone now thinks Jalen is better than Tua. That is the point. I was questioning the reason why "some" (not a material number) still are talking about a QB battle when the overwhelming consensus is that Tua is better. Even in this thread there have been comments reflecting the belief that the QB position isn't settled, the position is still Jalen's to win or lose, or they are not convinced that CNS will start Tua over Hurts.We read that the spring game didn't count and we should wait and see how it will play out in the fall, as if Jalen will suddenly become a Tom Brady clone. Jalen's poor play was blamed on the OL and poor play calling. Evidently, there are some who do not believe the issue is settled or those comments are nonsensical. What is the motive behind their statements? If most people believe the issue is settled and Tua is clearly the better QB then why in the world should Jalen start against Louisville? Why in the world do they believe the battle will continue for the first few games. I have yet to see any legitimate reason given.
 
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I have been one who said that the QB competition will continue between Tua and Jalen. I say this having stated that Tua is obviously the better QB, but my opinion and anyone's opinion on Tidefans means nothing. As long as CNS says the QB position is an open competition then it is whether it is decided during fall camp, game 1 or game 4.
 
GrayTide said:
I have been one who said that the QB competition will continue between Tua and Jalen. I say this having stated that Tua is obviously the better QB, but my opinion and anyone's opinion on Tidefans means nothing. As long as CNS says the QB position is an open competition then it is whether it is decided during fall camp, game 1 or game 4.
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It may turn out differently than we think but in the midst of the summer doldrums my worry is that regardless of the coach it is as easy to botch this up as get it right. The issue may be a year off for Georgia but they are certain to have much the same situation next year. It seems par for the course in college football today.
 
westide said:
I wasn't referring to the Tua/Jalen debate just in this specific thread, but the debate that started during the end of last season. There were some who thought Tua should have played in the the Auburn game and against Clemson. Of course, others disagreed. Even in the Championship game thread there were those who believed Jalen should start the second half. I didn't state that anyone now thinks Jalen is better than Tua. That is the point. I was questioning the reason why "some" (not a material number) still are talking about a QB battle when the overwhelming consensus is that Tua is better. Even in this thread there have been comments reflecting the belief that the QB position isn't settled, the position is still Jalen's to win or lose, or they are not convinced that CNS will start Tua over Hurts.We read that the spring game didn't count and we should wait and see how it will play out in the fall, as if Jalen will suddenly become a Tom Brady clone. Jalen's poor play was blamed on the OL and poor play calling. Evidently, there are some who do not believe the issue is settled or those comments are nonsensical. What is the motive behind their statements? If most people believe the issue is settled and Tua is clearly the better QB then why in the world should Jalen start against Louisville? Why in the world do they believe the battle will continue for the first few games. I have yet to see any legitimate reason given.
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Good response.

I know there were post IB debates about whether we should have played Tua against Auburn or not. Didn't hear as much about it before or after the Clemson game and that game was just a great example of how our "team" dominated the opponent and although Jalen didn't have a great game, we still won. I rarely post in the game thread and I was actually watching the NC game at someone else's house but we both agreed that the only way we were going to win was to make the change at halftime.

As they say, hindsight is always 20/20 but put me in the category that I believe we win the IB if Tua started that game. I sincerely doubt the month or so in between that game and the Georgia game would have changed his preparedness.

Anyway, at any rate, I agree with you that those who believe there's still a possibility of Jalen being "the QB" this year don't really have a legitimate reason for believing so despite the coach speak from CNS.
 
I don’t know why this is even a debate at this point given the obvious: Without Tua, we don’t beat UGA. Jalen did nothing IMO to gain ground in the A-Day Game (with a injured Tua). And the only reason I believe CNS has said what he’s said about it is because he may not want Jalen to leave or he has a role for him that would be in the best interest of Jalen staying put. Either way, I don’t see how Tua is not taking the first snap against Louisville unless he absolutely bombs fall practice and does not “win the team”
 
We've got 10 straight days of forecasted highs of over 100 in DFW so I decided to distract myself by going back to watch some of last year's game.

Watched the TAMU game. We had this game won handily with not much of a challenge from the Aggies until our inefficient offense bogged down even worse in the second half. The final score was probably closer than the game really was with us winning 27-19, but we were outscored 16-10 in the last half when A&M punched in a TD with 17 seconds in the game.

Paid close attention to Jalen. This is about the time several started noticing his lack of improvement/growth as a Soph. I must admit he looked a little better than I remember at times. This isn't saying he looked good, but he did have a few nice throws and one time he stepped up in the pocket and completed a 3rd down pass to Ridley. Had another nice pass dropped by Foster.

Except for a couple of big runs by Harris, we didn't run the ball very effectively in this game, which probably didn't help. Jalen was given lots of throwing opportunities, but, except for a few decent balls as noted above he struggled. He missed #1 on a fly route that was one of epic fail. There wasn't a defensive player within 20 yards of Foster. Overall, it was pretty much what we would expect from him in the last 2 years. He mainly targeted Riddley with first reads and he was a weak 13-22 for 123 yards and 1 TD.

One thing I noticed more than ever about Jalen though is he struggled to get the right reads even on the RPO. On several occasions he kept the ball when the RB could have made a huge gain and Jalen was tackled almost immediately. On one fourth down conversion, he tried to pull the ball back from Bo and almost caused a fumble, but Bo held on and converted easily. If Jalen would've pulled the ball back he would have been tackled for loss.

Just on observation, but I think Jalen's field vision limitations weren't just limited to passing, but even the RPO and seeing the right read.
 
Another thought: People keep wondering who will start. The media plays that card every time but the truth is we will all see who will start way before the first snap. We will see little signs of how the offense is being put together. Player positioning and style of offense will tell you a lot about who is starting.
 
Seriously, if by saying "Start" you mean that JH takes the first snap or plays the first series, I guess that's possible. Although I think the fanbase might have a come apart during the first series, I concede that CNS might do that because he is "loyal."

But, unless something drastically changes this fall, I don't believe Jalen plays QB long at all, assuming Tua's healthy. Tua's just too good for CNS to sit there and watch Jalen make under/over/behind/in the dirt throws or tuck and run when guys are open. CNS is loyal but he's not stupid and he won't let a "proven commodity" go to waste.
 
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