Alabama QBs in 2024, II

[crimsonaudio]

Outstanding post, and I'm not gonna name the players that are still on here that I think should be gone, but there are several on the offensive side of the ball that should no longer be on this team. Two of them are supposed leaders of the offense.

I'd never win 10 games as a HC - but I guarantee you that sort of crap would mean players were left to figure out how to get home on their own, as their scholarship would have been pulled at halftime.

 

[davefrat]

I'm not saying that the mutiny didn't happen, but I wouldn't be saying it happened as if it were the gospel truth unless there was some actual proof.

And it's very hard for me to believe that the most hardazz college football coach of the last 25 years who was known for chewing everyone a new one for any number of reasons would have tolerated and caved to a player revolt.

I just can't see that happening with him.

I could see him benching everyone involved and limping to a losing season before allowing himself to be held hostage by a bunch of bratty behavior by a bunch of 18-22 year olds under his command.

Maybe it did happen...but I'll be inclined to believe it once some actual evidence is produced.

 

[Cruloc]

I'm not saying that the mutiny didn't happen, but I wouldn't be saying it happened as if it were the gospel truth unless there was some actual proof.

And it's very hard for me to believe that the most hardazz college football coach of the last 25 years who was known for chewing everyone a new one for any number of reasons would have tolerated and caved to a player revolt.

I just can't see that happening with him.

I could see him benching everyone involved and limping to a losing season before allowing himself to be held hostage by a bunch of bratty behavior by a bunch of 18-22 year olds under his command.

Maybe it did happen...but I'll be inclined to believe it once some actual evidence is produced.

With the reasons given for why he retired....I can believe things happened last year that probably would never have happened 10 years or even 5 years ago.

 

[davefrat]

With the reasons given for why he retired....I can believe things happened last year that probably would never have happened 10 years or even 5 years ago.

Agreed.

But I can't see Saban putting up with a team mutiny.

I could see him retiring on the spot before I could see him give in to that kind of behavior.

But it's possible.

 

[UAH]

When all the fighting about Milroe and the QB situation started here earlier this year there were people saying that Saban specifically said that the team picked Milroe and essentially confirmed that there was a Mutiny in Tampa that forced Saban to capitulate.

After much back and forth, no one to my knowledge ever substantiated this story.

Yet, the story of the Mutiny in Tampa is still bandied about as gospel.

Has anyone been able to substantiate that Saban confirmed said mutiny actually occurred?

Has anyone in an actual position to know substantiated it?

Or is this still in the realm of the second shooter on the Grassy Knoll?

You don't have to be a coach and be paid $10 million a year to see offensive linemen ignore their QB on the ground following the eighth sack that they collectively had allowed!

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Inexplicably bad games happen in competitive sports. Go dig up the Alabama/FSU game from 1974. Rainy conditions. Unsettled QB room. (Sound familiar?) FSU had lost like 30 straight, and yet it took a last second Bucky Berry FG for us to win.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Agreed.

But I can't see Saban putting up with a team mutiny.

I could see him retiring on the spot before I could see him give in to that kind of behavior.

But it's possible.

I agree that 5 or 10 years ago he straight crawls all over them on the sideline and/or benches them.

But he really softened the last few years. That's not me saying 'he's soft' but softening the way someone does when they have grandchildren.

I also don't think he realized just how bad things had gotten with the temperament of today's portal players until after the season was underway.

I think he was already mulling over retirement anyway.

But the way today's players are entitled and all about themselves and $$$ is near 100% why he retired.

I'm sure he KNEW well before the season ended and just decided to hold things together as best as he could and not blow up the program over a handful of players actions.

He also had commitments to coaches on staff and their families.

Just principles wise I would have loved for him to chew that OL out and at least benched them for the remainder of that game.

I understand why he didn't though and why he held things together with spit and duct tape.

 

[davefrat]

You don't have to be a coach and be paid $10 million a year to see offensive linemen ignore their QB on the ground following the eighth sake that they collectively had allowed!

No, you don't.

But seeing them play that way isn't proof that there was a mutiny where the players told the coaches that they were demanding that their guy play QB or they were going to do whatever it was they were going to do to have their demands met.

That's a bit of a leap.

 

[davefrat]

I agree that 5 or 10 years ago he straight crawls all over them on the sideline and/or benches them.

But he really softened the last few years. That's not me saying 'he's soft' but softening the way someone does when they have grandchildren.

I also don't think he realized just how bad things had gotten with the temperament of today's portal players until after the season was underway.

I think he was already mulling over retirement anyway.

But the way today's players are entitled and all about themselves and $$$ is near 100% why he retired.

I'm sure he KNEW well before the season ended and just decided to hold things together as best as he could and not blow up the program over a handful of players actions.

He also had commitments to coaches on staff and their families.

Just principles wise I would have loved for him to chew that OL out and at least benched them for the remainder of that game.

I understand why he didn't though and why he held things together with spit and duct tape.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that he got so soft that he would cave in to a player mutiny.

Moreover, he's been very open about the things that drove him into retirement as well as the situation with Milroe's benching, and this alleged mutiny was not mentioned as far as I know.

Why would he be reticent to discuss that situation if it really happened?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I find it incredibly hard to believe that he got so soft that he would cave in to a player mutiny.

Moreover, he's been very open about the things that drove him into retirement as well as the situation with Milroe's benching, and this alleged mutiny was not mentioned as far as I know.

Why would he be reticent to discuss that situation if it really happened?

Halftime of the 2018 national championship game Tua/Jalen. The players and assistant coaches had been wanting a change from about mid-season but Saban stayed the course. By the time they got to halftime of the title game, there were wr's losing their crap in the locker room and it took one of our assistant coaches to keep them from checking out. Saban made the switch.

I have no idea if the USF game was players giving the middle finger to Buchner and the coaching staff or not. But even still, it was the second time in Saban's tenure that rumors of a player mutiny started swirling. It happens one time, I can chalk it up to pure rumor. I start hearing it a second time and that is getting close to calling it "where there's smoke...".

 

[davefrat]

Also makes me wonder, if there was this pro-Milroe/anti-Simpson/anti-Buchner mutiny and many of the mutineers are still on the team, why on earth would Simpson have returned knowing that his teammates were willing to sink the ship rather than have him start over Milroe?

Did they change their tune?

Was Simpson not aware of the mutiny?

 

[TiderJack]

I find it incredibly hard to believe that he got so soft that he would cave in to a player mutiny.

Moreover, he's been very open about the things that drove him into retirement as well as the situation with Milroe's benching, and this alleged mutiny was not mentioned as far as I know.

Why would he be reticent to discuss that situation if it really happened?

He would not have. CNS has said exactly what made him retire and to the ire of many in the press and it did not include anything remotely close to a mutiny. Fake news IMO.

 

[B1GTide]

Mutiny or not, it was horrible effort. I really don't care why those guys were demotivated for that game. They didn't just have a collective bad game - they did not care. That is inexcusable.

 

[davefrat]

Halftime of the 2018 national championship game Tua/Jalen. The players and assistant coaches had been wanting a change from about mid-season but Saban stayed the course. By the time they got to halftime of the title game, there were wr's losing their crap in the locker room and it took one of our assistant coaches to keep them from checking out. Saban made the switch.

I have no idea if the USF game was players giving the middle finger to Buchner and the coaching staff or not. But even still, it was the second time in Saban's tenure that rumors of a player mutiny started swirling. It happens one time, I can chalk it up to pure rumor. I start hearing it a second time and that is getting close to calling it "where there's smoke...".

As I understand it, during the NC game his OC went to Saban at the half and told him that they had to make the switch if they were going to be able to beat UGA.

That's not really the same thing as the players telling him what he had to do...and certainly not in a game against a terrible opponent at the beginning of the season.

And again, I'm talking about the absence of actual proof that there was this mutiny, not speculation and conjecture.

Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't.

Should I believe it happened without more than speculation?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

As I understand it, during the NC game his OC went to Saban at the half and told him that they had to make the switch if they were going to be able to beat UGA.

That's not really the same thing as the players telling him what he had to do...and certainly not in a game against a terrible opponent at the beginning of the season?

And again, I'm talking about the absence of actual proof that there was this mutiny, not speculation and conjecture.

Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't.

Should I believe it happened without more than speculation?

Oh, it doesn't matter to me one bit. The effort or lack thereof is all I care about and it was embarrassingly atrocious, regardless of the reason. I'm just saying players can checkout without telling the coach why they're checking out. Most players who "checkout" on effort do not inform the coach when they're going to do it or why. They just do it...

 

[gman4tide]

And i posted what i did just standing up for Ty. I'm not rooting against Jalen. I am rooting for Ty and want/hope he gets a fair shot. That's my right as a fan. But one cannot hold that game against Ty or use it to make a game ready conclusion. He was playing 3/4 v 11. If you don't agree with that, that's your prerogative. Did he drop a ball at the one, yep. Lawd, was he the first to do that? Nope. Did that show how he reads a defense? Did that prove that he couldn't make a throw? Nope. I don't even understand why that was brought up. But that's where i get the feel that people look for anything bad to hold against the kid.

 

[davefrat]

Oh, it doesn't matter to me one bit. The effort or lack thereof is all I care about and it was embarrassingly atrocious, regardless of the reason. I'm just saying players can checkout without telling the coach why they're checking out. Most players who "checkout" on effort do not inform the coach when they're going to do it or why. They just do it...

Wasn't there a game under Shula where Brodie Croyle got sacked like 100 times?

For whatever reason, that sure seemed like the O-line was intentionally letting him get creamed.

 

[gman4tide]

We're not talking about the Shula years. Yeah, honk if you sacked Brodie...was against the barn. Bama was saddled with scholarship restrictions and crappy recruiting by shula. Hate to say it but the barn was better then and their defense was pretty stout. But what's that got to do with the 5* olineman putting out zero effort last year against usf? And i bet if you went back and watched...I bet the linemen helped Brodie up. Something you didn't see last fall against usf.

 

[Cruloc]

Wasn't there a game under Shula where Brodie Croyle got sacked like 100 times?

For whatever reason, that sure seemed like the O-line was intentionally letting him get creamed.

A comparison of the honk if you sacked Brodie game and last years USF game is a stretch.

We were a team with Shula and restrictions against a team that had better matchups and better athletes and found a weakness...exploited it.

USF was a lack of effort.....apathy. The reason for that I'll just leave at....unknown.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Wasn't there a game under Shula where Brodie Croyle got sacked like 100 times?

For whatever reason, that sure seemed like the O-line was intentionally letting him get creamed.

That was an Iron Bowl. The awbern coaches/whoever were paying a bounty for sacks in that game. It was obvious that their players had an unusually high motivation that game...🙄