Game Thread: CFP Qtr: #10 Miami vs #2 Ohio State (12/31 ESPN @ 630p CT)

[Rush]

was he the center among the two brothers? How come they never do anything when they are with us

Indeed he is...

And excellent question...

 

[Tideflyer]

Our biggest mistake would be trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

We are NOT suddenly going to be a running team. Got to dance with what brought you.

We may lose to Indiana, but if we try to run on 1st and 2nd down and pass on 3rd down. We will get blown out.

Best thing for us is to go 12 personnel and protect Ty and let him work with 3 receivers. We can scatter some runs in to keep them honest, but if we are going to win this game, it'll be thru Ty and the receivers.

I don’t disagree. Wish I could, but I can’t. Max protect.

 

[colbysullivan]

Conference championships are necessary especially because it’s highly likely ties happen. The ACC had a 5 way tie and the SEC had a 4 way tie. Most of these teams tied didn’t play each other. There has to be a way to settle it.

-Additionally I think Notre Dame should be forced to either join a conference or forced to play 3 of the top 7 B1G and SEC each every year

- Also we don’t need fixed brackets. Each round should result in the high seed playing lowest remaining.

Ex.

#1 Indiana vs #10 Miami
#2 Ohio St vs #9 Bama
#3 Georgia vs #6 Ole Miss
#4 Texas Tech vs #5 Oregon

It doesn’t matter if ties happen. The championship game losers get in most of the time anyway. We don’t have 5 auto bids, we really have at least 8. The whole thing is dumb.

 

[81usaf92]

It doesn’t matter if ties happen. The championship game losers get in most of the time anyway. We don’t have 5 auto bids, we really have at least 8. The whole thing is dumb.

Okay… Texas a&M didn’t play Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, or Ole Miss… how do argue against them having a claim to a SEC championship without a championship system. I guarantee you that next year Bama and Georgia fans are going to complain when Texas gets a top 4 seed by playing 2 teams all year.

TBH the system for a playoff should either be a 6 team system with a G5 stipulation or just go 8. 12 is fun from a viewing standpoint but when you have a team in it then it’s chaotic

 

[colbysullivan]

Okay… Texas a&M didn’t play Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, or Ole Miss… how do argue against them having a claim to a SEC championship without a championship system. I guarantee you that next year Bama and Georgia fans are going to complain when Texas gets a top 4 seed by playing 2 teams all year.

TBH the system for a playoff should either be a 6 team system with a G5 stipulation or just go 8. 12 is fun from a viewing standpoint but when you have a team in it then it’s chaotic

College football existed until the 1990s without conference championship games. The goal is making the playoffs now. Winning the conference just doesn’t matter as much anymore.

 

[81usaf92]

College football existed until the 1990s without conference championships. The goal is making the playoffs now. Winning the conference just doesn’t matter as much anymore.

Clemson winning last year should mattered alot

 

[colbysullivan]

Clemson winning last year should mattered alot

They lost in the 1st round…

The point is they shouldn’t have been there in the first place and were only included because of arbitrary rules that act like the conferences are equal. If we MUST have 12 teams, it should just be the 12 best teams.

 

[colbysullivan]

Okay… Texas a&M didn’t play Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, or Ole Miss… how do argue against them having a claim to a SEC championship without a championship system. I guarantee you that next year Bama and Georgia fans are going to complain when Texas gets a top 4 seed by playing 2 teams all year.

TBH the system for a playoff should either be a 6 team system with a G5 stipulation or just go 8. 12 is fun from a viewing standpoint but when you have a team in it then it’s chaotic

More to the point, that’s why tiebreakers exist. And again, it doesn’t matter because all the teams you listed made the playoffs anyway, so tell me why we need the extra game again?

 

[colbysullivan]

Clemson winning last year should mattered alot

I guess I just don’t understand this line of thinking. Your argument for keeping conference championships games is they MIGHT let an undeserving team make the playoffs. Just doesn’t make any sense to me.

 

[81usaf92]

They lost in the 1st round…

The point is they shouldn’t have been there in the first place and were only included because of arbitrary rules that act like the conferences are equal. If we MUST have 12 teams, it should just be the 12 best teams.

Look I’m not going far with this because it’s just a disagreement that isn’t that deep to me.

My point about Clemson was that them winning knocked out Alabama. Had SMU won Alabama would’ve been the final At large team. Granted I still don’t believe a 3 loss regular season team has really a leg to stand on, but conference championships still carry a significant amount of weight. I mean if Bama beat Georgia we are either #4 or #5 compared to going on the road round 1.

I think they matter but they don’t matter as much as they once did. Agree to disagree

 

[colbysullivan]

Look I’m not going far with this because it’s just a disagreement that isn’t that deep to me.

My point about Clemson was that them winning knocked out Alabama. Had SMU won Alabama would’ve been the final At large team. Granted I still don’t believe a 3 loss regular season team has really a leg to stand on, but conference championships still carry a significant amount of weight. I mean if Bama beat Georgia we are either #4 or #5 compared to going on the road round 1.

I think they matter but they don’t matter as much as they once did. Agree to disagree

Fair

 

[JDCrimson]

Is there a model out there that weights offensive and defensive rankings based on the the strength of the competition? I think metrics like these would assimilate who are the top teams based on how they managed the game, the outcome of the game relative to the competition.

 

[uafan4life]

Is there a model out there that weights offensive and defensive rankings based on the the strength of the competition? I think metrics like these would assimilate who are the top teams based on how they managed the game, the outcome of the game relative to the competition.

Not very accurately, unfortunately.

There simply isn't enough inter-conference data in college football to do this reliably...

 

[Rush]

Cudos to Miami OL. They won that game. It is fun to watch an O line knocking folks back three or more yards on almost every snap.

Yes, I remember our being able to view that dynamic week in and week out, some years ago now...

God I miss it...

 

[JDCrimson]

Not very accurately, unfortunately.

There simply isn't enough inter-conference data in college football to do this reliably...

Understood, but if your opponent record is 6-6 and you are tanked first on most defensive categories, but another team has a 10th ranked defense against opponents with a collective record of 8-4. I would argue this team is the better team.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Miami's oline and dline dominated the game. That was the difference in the game. Sayin was sacked five times but honestly could have/should have been sacked like eight times. Miami was pressuring him like crazy all night

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Conference championships are necessary especially because it’s highly likely ties happen. The ACC had a 5 way tie and the SEC had a 4 way tie. Most of these teams tied didn’t play each other. There has to be a way to settle it.

-Additionally I think Notre Dame should be forced to either join a conference or forced to play 3 of the top 7 B1G and SEC each every year

- Also we don’t need fixed brackets. Each round should result in the high seed playing lowest remaining.

Ex.

#1 Indiana vs #10 Miami
#2 Ohio St vs #9 Bama
#3 Georgia vs #6 Ole Miss
#4 Texas Tech vs #5 Oregon

The NFL does this and it makes sense so college won't do it.