Well, we went through that last thread fairly quickly. Time for a new one.
The Delta variant is tearing through unvaccinated populations ruthlessly. This was expected and people were warned.
How contagious is the Delta variant?
On average, every person infected will infect 8-9 others. For the original virus this was closer to 2.5-4.
Delta is as contagious as chickenpox, but what does this mean?
Place 99 random people who lack immunity into a room with one infected person for a few hours and 85 of the 99 will walk out infected.
This is why the curve on the charts of cases and hospitalizations currently looks so steep.
With Delta appearing to be every bit as - and possibly even slightly more - deadly compared to the original version of this virus and deaths lagging hospitalizations we should soon see a sharp rise in deaths.
More than 95% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated.
98-99% (give of take) of deaths are unvaccinated.
Delta has changed everything. The vaccines are not as effective, but they are still protective against infection and, therefore, also against transmission. They are still very protective against severe illness, hospitalization, and death. No vaccine has ever been 100% effective, though, and this one is no different.
In areas of substantial or high transmission masks are recommended - even for the vaccinated. This is partly to protect the vaccinated - especially those at higher risk - but mostly to protect the unvaccinated (and many vaccinated people are not happy with this situation for multiple reasons).
Is there anything that will actually move the defiant and the hesitant off the fence? The surge seems like enough to my eye, and it has prompted some. I am afraid that a great number are relying on severely defective sources for information and believe their "alternative facts" are just as good as the real facts. I sincerely hope they wake up before reality slaps them awake as it has done to a number of others, including some high profile people. Some of those have died wishing they had gotten the vaccine after downplaying the threat and poo-pooing the vaccines. Meanwhile, reports continue of some denying reality even as they get ready for intubation and take what is potentially their last voluntary breath on this Earth.
Now isn't the time to dither or to bicker or to listen to sources who live in their own fantasy land. It's past time to listen to people who know their stuff and above all tell the truth (sorry, anti-vax sites are not telling you the truth).
With the high rate of transmission occurring there is concern that an even worse variant will emerge. I hope and pray that can be avoided.
More and more schools and employers are mandating the vaccines to protect the health of their clients and employees. That tide is shifting in one direction and gaining speed. Employers do have this right and employees have the right to find another job. Freedom is not a one way street and there are consequences for certain decisions, just like always.(that's actually a "conservative" and classical liberalism stance)
It's very likely with emerging variants that a booster or otherwise updated vaccine will be needed sometime in the future. When? Who knows? It's actually a very good question. Just consider it a likely inevitability.
Poll answers are private like all similar previous polls to encourage honest answers and participation.
Just to make something clear: We encourage legitimate questions, comments, and sources even if they are not the popular opinion on this board. We highly discourage trolling and disinformation and such posts are subject to removal, though that depends. Please self-check your sources.
'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
We prefer not to wade into removing content and we do expect adults to be responsible. Harmful content is generally against the rules, much like racist content is against the rules. If adults will be adults and moderate themselves then I just wasted my time talking about it.
Last post of previous thread here.
The Delta variant is tearing through unvaccinated populations ruthlessly. This was expected and people were warned.
How contagious is the Delta variant?
On average, every person infected will infect 8-9 others. For the original virus this was closer to 2.5-4.
Delta is as contagious as chickenpox, but what does this mean?
Place 99 random people who lack immunity into a room with one infected person for a few hours and 85 of the 99 will walk out infected.
This is why the curve on the charts of cases and hospitalizations currently looks so steep.
With Delta appearing to be every bit as - and possibly even slightly more - deadly compared to the original version of this virus and deaths lagging hospitalizations we should soon see a sharp rise in deaths.
More than 95% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated.
98-99% (give of take) of deaths are unvaccinated.
Delta has changed everything. The vaccines are not as effective, but they are still protective against infection and, therefore, also against transmission. They are still very protective against severe illness, hospitalization, and death. No vaccine has ever been 100% effective, though, and this one is no different.
In areas of substantial or high transmission masks are recommended - even for the vaccinated. This is partly to protect the vaccinated - especially those at higher risk - but mostly to protect the unvaccinated (and many vaccinated people are not happy with this situation for multiple reasons).
Is there anything that will actually move the defiant and the hesitant off the fence? The surge seems like enough to my eye, and it has prompted some. I am afraid that a great number are relying on severely defective sources for information and believe their "alternative facts" are just as good as the real facts. I sincerely hope they wake up before reality slaps them awake as it has done to a number of others, including some high profile people. Some of those have died wishing they had gotten the vaccine after downplaying the threat and poo-pooing the vaccines. Meanwhile, reports continue of some denying reality even as they get ready for intubation and take what is potentially their last voluntary breath on this Earth.
Now isn't the time to dither or to bicker or to listen to sources who live in their own fantasy land. It's past time to listen to people who know their stuff and above all tell the truth (sorry, anti-vax sites are not telling you the truth).
With the high rate of transmission occurring there is concern that an even worse variant will emerge. I hope and pray that can be avoided.
More and more schools and employers are mandating the vaccines to protect the health of their clients and employees. That tide is shifting in one direction and gaining speed. Employers do have this right and employees have the right to find another job. Freedom is not a one way street and there are consequences for certain decisions, just like always.(that's actually a "conservative" and classical liberalism stance)
It's very likely with emerging variants that a booster or otherwise updated vaccine will be needed sometime in the future. When? Who knows? It's actually a very good question. Just consider it a likely inevitability.
Poll answers are private like all similar previous polls to encourage honest answers and participation.
Just to make something clear: We encourage legitimate questions, comments, and sources even if they are not the popular opinion on this board. We highly discourage trolling and disinformation and such posts are subject to removal, though that depends. Please self-check your sources.
'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
We prefer not to wade into removing content and we do expect adults to be responsible. Harmful content is generally against the rules, much like racist content is against the rules. If adults will be adults and moderate themselves then I just wasted my time talking about it.
Last post of previous thread here.
