ESPN Article on Chris Kiffin

[RTRCharlotte]

No doubt this guy cheats

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversation...ing-family-shadow-college-football-recruiting

 

[TideWatcher]

I don't know that he cheats; sounds like an incredibly hard worker and that is what works.

 

[TideMan09]

No doubt this guy cheats

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversation...ing-family-shadow-college-football-recruiting

That's the 1st thing that comes to mind after the unbelievable class they pulled in last year..But..This guy sounds to be a recruiting machine like Coach Saban..To be among the elite recruiters..You have to have a really magnetic type personality..And you have to be willing to sacrifice family time & put in ridiculous amount of travel time to become an elite recruiter..He fits in this mold of recruiters..Now the rest of Ole Miss coaching staff I won't say that about..I still think some shady stuff went down in Ole Miss last year..

 

[CrimsonProf]

No coincidence that Dickie Scruggs got out of jail right around the time the OM recruiting picked up.

And no Bama fan should ever put Dunlap tires on their car...

 

[KrAzY3]

In this day and age, it is entirely possible that coaches not be involved in buying recruits. Having said that, it is obvious that Ole Miss is buying recruits.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

In this day and age, it is entirely possible that coaches not be involved in buying recruits. Having said that, it is obvious that Ole Miss is buying recruits.

Very obvious... I'm trying not to rush to judgement. I wonder how 2014 will pan out.

 

[Crimson1967]

He seems like a nicer guy than his brother. Granted, Lane didn't set the bar very high, but still.

 

[RollTideMang]

"He's flashy and I'm not," Chris said. "But we are completely the same person. It's scary. My mom can't tell us apart on the phone."

Straight from the source. He's definitely a cheater.

 

[RTR91]

So we believe Alabama's staff was "outworked" for Laremy Tunsil?

An image of Tunsil remains posted on the wall in Kiffin's office nearly four months later. Around Tunsil's head are the logos of Ole Miss, Georgia and Alabama -- his three finalists last winter. It's a reminder to Kiffin of the work he has devoted to recruiting and the rewards for those who work hardest.

Kiffin learned that lesson from his father, longtime coaching icon Monte Kiffin, who preached to his two sons the value of outhustling your opponent. Tunsil's story offers Chris proof of his father's wisdom. "In coaching, you can always outwork the guy next to you," he said. "And that's why recruiting has been our [family's] niche. There's no end to it. It's just really a matter of how badly you want it."

Look at his coaching career. He coached under Oregeron and his brother, two well-respected recruiters.

After playing defensive tackle at Colorado State, he worked at Idaho, Ole Miss (under Ed Orgeron), Nebraska and USC in support-staff positions before being named Arkansas State's defensive line coach. Freeze gave him his first full-time position as Arkansas State's defensive line coach in 2010.

An example of Kiffin's great recruiting: a product from South Panola High School. I'm sure Mr. Tire had nothing to do with this signing or Tony Connor's.

"Coach Kiffin broke it down for me," said Gross, a graduate of national high school power Batesville (Miss.) South Panola. "He told me how he was going to fit me into the scheme. He's just a great person to be around. He made me a believer. I stayed here because I wanted to follow him."

 

[WMack4Bama]

Depending on how you look at it, everybody cheats. NCAA rules are ridiculously archaic. But whatever...

All that matters is what happens when you strap up and get between the white lines. If it doesn't translate there, then I couldn't care less. And if it does, tip o' the hat to ya.

 

[KrAzY3]

Depending on how you look at it, everybody cheats. NCAA rules are ridiculously archaic. But whatever...

All that matters is what happens when you strap up and get between the white lines.

I can't look at it that way. For instance, with the recent Auburn stuff that came out, I was reading comments and it was the SEC cheats, SEC this, SEC, that... and I'm thinking this is Auburn. Cam Newton? Auburn. HBO? Auburn. But... in terms of perception, despite it being Auburn having as much come to surface as the rest of the teams in the SEC West combined, it becomes what the SEC is up to, or furthermore what college football in general is up to.

This to me, is a consequence that we pay when we have the SEC sticking their neck out for Auburn, and the NCAA trying to find reasons not to uphold their own rules. And, while I'm all for an SEC that actually doesn't try to throw member schools under the bus, and I'm all for an NCAA that isn't overzealous, there is a point that the entire thing becomes a big joke.

Because of the complex rules, yes, virtually every FBS program is probably playing ineligible players. Logically though, I think one can easily draw the distinction between fairly benign stuff like textbooks, or golf cart rides, and paying players tens, or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Auburn (as I expected) adopted an approach that basically said they couldn't stand being unable to compete with Alabama, so they'd bend or break any rule to keep up. If you look at their actions, I would wager even they expected to be hammered for it eventually, and would have taken solace in having beaten Alabama in the mean time, but this new NCAA approach allowed for obvious and overt violations to occur without any action.

This chain of events then leads us to otherwise hapless Ole Miss. For every reason a player has to go to Alabama, there are basically the same reasons not to go to Ole Miss. Yet, in sync with the NCAA revealing they are now toothless, Ole Miss starts landing players even they didn't seem to think they would get. No logic, no rational... the same sort of situation that saw Cam Newton decide on Auburn, against everything leading up to it, lead SEVERAL top recruits to Ole Miss in what was a completely unprecedented situation.

I'm sure the boosters rational is along the lines of, if Auburn can do it, why can't they? Ole Miss can't hope to compete with Nick Saban otherwise, so take the Auburn approach, and even if it results in just one great season, then it is all worth it. That's the heart of the problem to me. You let Auburn get away with it, now Ole Miss is doing it, and then in order to keep up with Ole Miss, we'll see other struggling SEC programs follow the lead. I can't look at all of that and conclude that all that matters is on the field results. The whole notion that the SEC cheats to win is becoming closer to reality, unless something is done.

 

[WMack4Bama]

OK.

I can't look at it that way. For instance, with the recent Auburn stuff that came out, I was reading comments and it was the SEC cheats, SEC this, SEC, that... and I'm thinking this is Auburn. Cam Newton? Auburn. HBO? Auburn. But... in terms of perception, despite it being Auburn having as much come to surface as the rest of the teams in the SEC West combined, it becomes what the SEC is up to, or furthermore what college football in general is up to.

This to me, is a consequence that we pay when we have the SEC sticking their neck out for Auburn, and the NCAA trying to find reasons not to uphold their own rules. And, while I'm all for an SEC that actually doesn't try to throw member schools under the bus, and I'm all for an NCAA that isn't overzealous, there is a point that the entire thing becomes a big joke.

Because of the complex rules, yes, virtually every FBS program is probably playing ineligible players. Logically though, I think one can easily draw the distinction between fairly benign stuff like textbooks, or golf cart rides, and paying players tens, or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Auburn (as I expected) adopted an approach that basically said they couldn't stand being unable to compete with Alabama, so they'd bend or break any rule to keep up. If you look at their actions, I would wager even they expected to be hammered for it eventually, and would have taken solace in having beaten Alabama in the mean time, but this new NCAA approach allowed for obvious and overt violations to occur without any action.

This chain of events then leads us to otherwise hapless Ole Miss. For every reason a player has to go to Alabama, there are basically the same reasons not to go to Ole Miss. Yet, in sync with the NCAA revealing they are now toothless, Ole Miss starts landing players even they didn't seem to think they would get. No logic, no rational... the same sort of situation that saw Cam Newton decide on Auburn, against everything leading up to it, lead SEVERAL top recruits to Ole Miss in what was a completely unprecedented situation.

I'm sure the boosters rational is along the lines of, if Auburn can do it, why can't they? Ole Miss can't hope to compete with Nick Saban otherwise, so take the Auburn approach, and even if it results in just one great season, then it is all worth it. That's the heart of the problem to me. You let Auburn get away with it, now Ole Miss is doing it, and then in order to keep up with Ole Miss, we'll see other struggling SEC programs follow the lead. I can't look at all of that and conclude that all that matters is on the field results. The whole notion that the SEC cheats to win is becoming closer to reality, unless something is done.

 

[GrayTide]

I am afraid you would have an impossible task convincing anybody outside of the SEC that the SEC does not cheat.