Ghislaine Maxwell Receives 20 Years for Aiding Epstein in Sex Trafficking

[Bamaro]

Democrats: "RELEASE THE FILES"
*files are released*
Also Democrats, according to @nytimes: "Democrats claimed that the sheer volume of the files released on Wednesday was intended to disorient."
They don't care about victims—it's all hypocrisy for political gain.
I honestly don't believe anyone in D.C. really cares about this. It all feels like a game now.

Some in DC care very much!

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Some in DC care very much!

We're going from "if Trump was in there, Biden would have released it" to "the Democrats had all that time to doctor the files!" Except the Attorney General told all of us that the files were on her desk, so what were the Democrats doing in her office? Then she said there were none - and then she said Trump was in it.

Maybe Trump should have taken the Epstein Files to Mar-a-Lago and left the classified ones where they belonged.

 

[Bamaro]

This is still a valid concern. The actual vote is supposed to take place next week. Trump is actively pressuring Republicans to change their vote and vote against the petition.
I wonder why this is?

 

[Its On A Slab]

Republicans have already excused an attack on the nation's capital, urged on by Trump.

I have no doubt they will excuse Trump's involvement with Epstein. Trump is like Edwin Edwards....."The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy." Except, I'm pretty sure MAGA(formerly known as the GOP) will find a way to excuse it all and blame it on the Democrats.

 

[mdb-tpet]

Some in DC care very much!

I know some people care deeply about this. The question is always, do enough people care, do the right people care, OR will back room politics once again bury the issue?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I'm telling you - if I'm a Democratic consultant, I'm putting ten second ads on the air right now with Trump actually saying that he's going to release the Epstein files and his other quotes - along with, "What are you waiting for, Don?"

Another one - an Irish tenor singing, "Oh Donnie boy, the files, the files are calling....."

 

[selmaborntidefan]

This is still a valid concern. The actual vote is supposed to take place next week. Trump is actively pressuring Republicans to change their vote and vote against the petition.
I wonder why this is?

If I was a Republican officeholder, I'd be recording every call he made to me like Raffensberger did.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Some in DC care very much!

A handful, sure. It's mighty easy to bloviate in front of the cameras when you know they aren't actually going to be released. When this actually gets voted on, I will be mighty curious how many people change their tunes.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

A handful, sure. It's mighty easy to bloviate in front of the cameras when you know they aren't actually going to be released. When this actually gets voted on, I will be mighty curious how many people change their tunes.

Yes, we're going to find Nancy Mace have an incredible change from rape victim to defender of a Republican President like most of us change our socks.

I've decided she's nothing more than a drama queen who started life on second base (her daddy was a Brigadier General in the Army, and if you think there ain't a military version of the Ivy League legacy thing, you're an idiot; no, a wheelchair bound paraplegic isn't going in, but there are plenty of bent rules and regs if your Daddy was high up, too. HER FATHER WAS THE COMMANDANT AT THE TIME).

And given her drama queen persona, I suspect almost everything about her life is a lie or an exaggeration. I'm certainly capable of empathy, and I know full well rape/sexual assault is grossly under-reported, but the idea that she would suddenly turn (as she did yesterday) in defense of the accused rapist doesn't line up with reality UNLESS........Trump sexually assaulted her and this is a version of Stockholm Syndrome.

Folks, I might be wrong about everything I just typed. But I have no regard at all for so-called victims of rape/sexual assault who DEFEND RAPISTS/SEXUAL ASSAULTERS, either.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Yes, we're going to find Nancy Mace have an incredible change from rape victim to defender of a Republican President like most of us change our socks.

And given her drama queen persona, I suspect almost everything about her life is a lie or an exaggeration. I'm certainly capable of empathy, and I know full well rape/sexual assault is grossly under-reported, but the idea that she would suddenly turn (as she did yesterday) in defense of the accused rapist doesn't line up with reality UNLESS........Trump sexually assaulted her and this is a version of Stockholm Syndrome.

Folks, I might be wrong about everything I just typed. But I have no regard at all for so-called victims of rape/sexual assault who DEFEND RAPISTS/SEXUAL ASSAULTERS, either.

While your scenario is possible, I simply don't find it the least bit probable. Occam's Razor would suggest that Mace figured out the same thing I did: E. Jean Carroll is completely full of **** and always has been. And yes, a lot of people say they buy her story, but I don't believe them, either. Pretending to believe something this preposterous is a disservice to men as a whole because encouraging women to lie about rape is a behavior that should not be encouraged, regardless of who you're trying to keep out of the White House. I stand firmly in the camp that states if a woman lies about rape, she should be criminally sentenced to the same number of years in prison that an actual rapist would get.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Jeffrey Epstein's secret role in Washington's Middle East diplomacy

Epstein was supposedly advising Arab countries on how to deal with America, had an audience scheduled with a Qatari prince, and was close to Trump’s future ambassador to Turkey.

reason.com

President Donald Trump announced in 2017 that his first official overseas trip would be to the Middle East. An unnamed political figure, possibly from Kuwait, wanted to know how to deal with the new, unpredictable American leader. So the person turned to his acquaintance, Jeffrey Epstein.

"[A]ny tips on how we should communicate with him?" the figure wrote in an email. Epstein asked what "concrete" things the person's emir (prince) would like the U.S. to offer. "[A] good word about the Amir's effort to host the yemen peace talk will be great, i think..and if peace agreement was signed in kuwait that would be [seven thumbs up emojis]," the figure wrote back.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Get ready.....

 

[Huckleberry]

While your scenario is possible, I simply don't find it the least bit probable. Occam's Razor would suggest that Mace figured out the same thing I did: E. Jean Carroll is completely full of **** and always has been. And yes, a lot of people say they buy her story, but I don't believe them, either. Pretending to believe something this preposterous is a disservice to men as a whole because encouraging women to lie about rape is a behavior that should not be encouraged, regardless of who you're trying to keep out of the White House. I stand firmly in the camp that states if a woman lies about rape, she should be criminally sentenced to the same number of years in prison that an actual rapist would get.

If the question is whether there’s an actual evidence-based case that Carroll lied, the answer is no. People can speculate, but nothing in the record points to fabrication. Two juries found her credible, and if Trump’s lawyers had anything that showed otherwise, they would have used it. Most of the “she’s lying” arguments come from politics or misunderstandings about trauma, not from facts. If there is real evidence that Carroll made the whole thing up, I'm open to hearing it.

 

[Bamaro]

If the question is whether there’s an actual evidence-based case that Carroll lied, the answer is no. People can speculate, but nothing in the record points to fabrication. Two juries found her credible, and if Trump’s lawyers had anything that showed otherwise, they would have used it. Most of the “she’s lying” arguments come from politics or misunderstandings about trauma, not from facts. If there is real evidence that Carroll made the whole thing up, I'm open to hearing it.

 

[Huckleberry]

Just when you think Republicans can't possibly get more ridiculous...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

While your scenario is possible, I simply don't find it the least bit probable. Occam's Razor would suggest that Mace figured out the same thing I did: E. Jean Carroll is completely full of **** and always has been.

Occam's razor tells me there's one reason only that Donald Trump doesn't release files he lied and said he would - because he knows his name (or worse) is in there.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Occam's razor tells me there's one reason only that Donald Trump doesn't release files he lied and said he would - because he knows his name (or worse) is in there.

There’s just one wrench in those gears and you’ve alluded to it yourself: there have been opportunities aplenty to expose that and no one seems to have wanted to do it. Why?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

There’s just one wrench in those gears and you’ve alluded to it yourself: there have been opportunities aplenty to expose that and no one seems to have wanted to do it. Why?

You're changing the subject to avoid the implications.

BIDEN could not have released the files without compromising the Maxwell trial, they were sealed by a judge until January 2024. But the key point - that everyone keeps pretending they don't understand - is that BIDEN WASN'T THE ONE WHO PROMISED TO RELEASE THE FILES AS A THREAT. That was Donald Trump.

And Donald Trump of all people knows whether he had sex with underage girls and if Epstein was involved.

I actually believe - as a number of folks here have said - there's a whole lot more to this than Trump. But Trump knew that before he began playing the, "ooh boy, look at the secret I know that you don't." And then his AG doubled down on this with "ooh boy, this big secret thing is on my desk."

 

[CrimsonJazz]

You're changing the subject to avoid the implications.

Like hell I am and I resent the implication. The "why" question was purely rhetorical because despite their posturing, Dems don't want that information to come out, either.

BIDEN could not have released the files without compromising the Maxwell trial, they were sealed by a judge until January 2024. But the key point - that everyone keeps pretending they don't understand - is that BIDEN WASN'T THE ONE WHO PROMISED TO RELEASE THE FILES AS A THREAT. That was Donald Trump.

No kidding? And here I sit remembering quite well how I pointed this out a year ago, expecting him to demand the FBI/DOJ release that information. He said he would and here we are, still waiting. I have criticized the president many times this year and I have given my theories on why Trump has done an about-face on this campaign promise. If anything, my hypotheses answer the question on why the files weren't used to destroy Trump after the previous administration did everything in its power to do that very thing.

And Donald Trump of all people knows whether he had sex with underage girls and if Epstein was involved.

Agreed. There is no way in hell he would have even evoked Epstein's name if he thought for a second there was any evidence there that could ruin him.

I actually believe - as a number of folks here have said - there's a whole lot more to this than Trump. But Trump knew that before he began playing the, "ooh boy, look at the secret I know that you don't." And then his AG doubled down on this with "ooh boy, this big secret thing is on my desk."

Also agreed. I don't know what the hell Bondi was thinking, but she is very bad at politics. It is very possible that those files are radioactive because they could expose royalty, people in the donor class, intelligence agents (both American and Israeli), and God only knows who or what else. It's obvious to me that Trump likely knew very little about those files and that is why he promptly stepped in it when he brought them up. He knew his supporters wanted to know about them, but he clearly should have done his homework first.

In any case, whatever does get released (if anything) will be heavily redacted and the rest classified on the grounds of "national security." The federal government has been using that tired old chestnut for a long time now.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/14/politics/trump-epstein-doj-investigate-enemies?cid=ios_app

Trump says he’s asking Justice Department to investigate Epstein’s ties to slew of high-profile figures (Democrats only)


“Now that the Democrats are using the Epstein Hoax, involving Democrats, not Republicans, to try and deflect from their disastrous SHUTDOWN, and all of their other failures, I will be asking A.G. Pam Bondi, and the Department of Justice, together with our great patriots at the FBI, to investigate Jeffrey Epstein’s involvement and relationship with Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Reid Hoffman, J.P. Morgan, Chase, and many other people and institutions, to determine what was going on with them, and him,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.