Is Bama pinnacle of college football (aka self-aggrandizing off-season musings)

Proxigean Tide

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One of the few nice things about the college football off-season and the associated derth of important and/or interesting topics to discuss, is the opportunity to expend limited brain power pondering some rather frivolous, off-the-cuff, theoretical questions. To this end, I'd like to throw out the following question for discussion: Does Alabama represent the pinnacle of college football?

For purposes of discussion, I believe a case could be made that the Alabama program is today in precisely the same circumstance it found itself 50 years ago. Specifically, a traditional powerhouse coming off a number of very "down" years, but now led by arguably the most charismatic, capable and driven head coach in all of NCAA division 1A football. Like 50 years ago, Auburn was enjoying very atypical success and most of the nation had written off Bama as a dead and buried giant that (thankfully) could never, ever return to dominate the SEC and consistantly challenge for national championships.

Fifty years ago, Alabama didn't really have to worry about losing it's superstar head coach because of his love of the college game and deep personal attachment to the university that plucked him from abject poverty and provided an opportunity to get an education, learn the game of football and become the person he was. Paul Bryant only once ever considered leaving the Capstone and that was to coach in the NFL's Miami Dolphins for a then unheard-of million dollar contract. In the end, Bryant's love of Alabama wouldn't allow him to leave, but what about Saban?

Saban has a burning desire to be the best and that inner desire led him to the NFL, where he discovered the GM-driven professional system of salary caps and free agency effectively negated his greatest strength: Specifically the ability to build a team by amassing substantially greater talent than the competition by consistantly out-working them. He also found out that it's much harder to coach players that make more than you and the ancilliary personal satisfaction he got by molding character of young men was totally absent. As such, I firmly believe Saban will never again be tempted to bolt for the NFL.

However, would Saban ever leave Alabama for another college program? Personally, I think not because Alabama is the pinnacle of college football. Saban wants to be remembered as the best, to achieve this status, you have to compete against the best and the best definately reside within the SEC.

What is more, within the SEC, no program possesses a more storied history and no other SEC school boasts a larger fan base or more dedicated, knowledgeable or fanatical following. While the national media may have thought 93,000 plus at A-day were simply there to see their program's new coach, in actuality, the bamanation came out in force to illustrate to Saban that no matter what he might of thought of LSU or the SEC before taking the Bama job, that the capital of the college football world is Tuscaloosa, Alabama. The bamanation wanted to send a clear message to Saban that being coach at Alabama is as high as it gets in all of college football and that if he wants to win championships, Tuscaloosa gives him all the prestige, passion, money, fan support, facilities and storied history he could handle.

While other programs like Oklahoma, Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, Southern Cal and Ohio State have much history and indisputable powerhouse status, the simple fact is that Bama has all that AND the chance to play in the very best conference in the nation week in and week out. Yes, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee and Florida are great teams, but anybody who knows college football knows that ALABAMA represents the heart, soul and is the grand-daddy of SEC programs.

Saban knows this too. He also knows he has the opportunity to add his own championship legacy at a place where college football has been king for more than 100 years. Saban will stay at Bama until he retires and win championships at Alabama because he is the best and he has arrived at the pinnacle of college football. Bryant knew there was no place better than Bama and Saban is realizing that too. Saban has explored first hand the talent-laden recruiting grounds that lie within his adopted state border and also witnessed the powerful alure represented by the chance to don that "crimson jersey". Already, Saban has kids mentioning the chance to play for him as the reason they chose to come to Alabama and the last guy who managed that feat was pretty darn special.

Agree? RTR.
 
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J.Will

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Re: Is Bama pinnacle of college football (aka aggradizing off-season musings)

Good post.

The U of A isn't back to the pinnacle, but the program definitely has that potential.
 

G-VilleTider

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Re: Is Bama pinnacle of college football (aka aggradizing off-season musings)

Nice post. Thanks for the lift.
 

Crimson Hawk

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Re: Is Bama pinnacle of college football (aka aggradizing off-season musings)

I agree, wholeheartedly. The University of Alabama, IS what CFB is all about. Certainly Bama has been a major influence in the shaping of the SEC, and to a greater extent CFB itself.
 

Probius

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It will not take long before Bama is back to that point again. Starting in 2009 Bama will once again be a national powerhouse and shall be feared by all. It is going to be a lot of fun. :biggrin:
 

BAMA504

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I would agree CNS is not going to bolt for anywhere. I think he got a taste of the million dollar attitudes and realized it is hard to be the coach when the players make more than you and they know that the upper office will not sit back and let you bench their "star" player because of his attitude or work ethic, they pay millions for those guys and the fan base will demand to see them for thier $200 + per seat tickets....

College football players are here because of pride and love of the University, the chance of earning the millions drives them but the real drive to me is the PRIDE that the players have in the college of their choice. You do not see a RB go out of bounds to avoid contact you seem him lower his shoulder and try and run the guy over, thats why I do not watch anything "pro" they have no loyalty its all about the almighty dollar...

Is BAMA the pinnacle?? Well it is if your a BAMA fan and if not well of course not your school of choice is!!! Ask any barner and they will tell you they are the best thing in the sec or any gaterd and they will tell you the same. We do have more tradition than any school and are we one of the most storied programs in the history of college football ?? YES !! But getting anyone other than a BAMA fan to agree will be hard pressed to find!!
 

BAMA504

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It will not take long before Bama is back to that point again. Starting in 2009 Bama will once again be a national powerhouse and shall be feared by all. It is going to be a lot of fun. :biggrin:

Why 09 ?? This is the year when we will have a senior QB an huge OL and enough RB's in the stable to overcome any injuires ( knock on wood ) to score some points. With the job this staff did with a very thin and in-experienced defense they might be a ton better with the incoming talent and the returning players we have. I think this year might shock ALOT of people and it appears you could be one of them. I will be shocked if we are not a very good team this year !!:pDT_Armataz_57:
 

bamanut_aj

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in this age of "what have you done for me lately" or even "what have you done for me in the last 15 or so years", there's no way we could consider BAMA the "pinnacle" of football. In our historical totality, you could make the argument, but honestly, what have we done to separate ourselves from the pack? Look at notre dumb.....one could ask the same question of them but we'd gladly sit back and say "psssh.....they suck lately." We definitely appear to be on the uptick, but we have to prove we're back, and not count on rags like SI to prematurely call us "back."
 

AngryEwok

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I like the comparison of our program's revitalization with Coach Bryant's arrival, to the oncoming revitalization with Coach Saban's arrival... I hope it pans out like that.

But it brings me to my next question...

Is John Parker Wilson the next Mal Moore?
 
in this age of "what have you done for me lately" or even "what have you done for me in the last 15 or so years", there's no way we could consider BAMA the "pinnacle" of football. In our historical totality, you could make the argument, but honestly, what have we done to separate ourselves from the pack? Look at notre dumb.....one could ask the same question of them but we'd gladly sit back and say "psssh.....they suck lately." We definitely appear to be on the uptick, but we have to prove we're back, and not count on rags like SI to prematurely call us "back."
It's not our fault that SI has problems with premature exclamation!

I agree with you for the most part. We need to do something before we start beating our chests and saying we are kings again. Also in response to the first post, I would have to include UT right up there with us in terms of SEC granddaddies. We are the only team they have a losing record to.
 

BamaInBham

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It's not our fault that SI has problems with premature exclamation!

I agree with you for the most part. We need to do something before we start beating our chests and saying we are kings again. Also in response to the first post, I would have to include UT right up there with us in terms of SEC granddaddies. We are the only team they have a losing record to.
UT does NOT belong up there with Bama. Bama blazed a trail that they defiled. Their only appearances in the Rose Bowl in '40 and '45, after Bama had appeared 5 times, were utter embarrassments - they haven't scored yet. No one was much help in helping Bama establish Southern football nationally. UGA and GT as much as UT - to the extent they did. UT has never really won any significant games on a national level. Even their win over FSU in '98 season was a terribly played game and over a crippled opponent, playing with their 3rd string QB.

Historically UT is not even a close second to Bama in the South on a national scale.

They also have a losing record to AU.
 

GrayTide

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I agree there are some similarities between 2008 and 1958 but I do not see the dominance we enjoyed for a good part of the 60's and most all of the 70's ever happening again. Times have changed and that 25 year period will not happen again, too many changes, too many good athletes going to too many different schools coached by too many good coaches. I do believe CNS will finish his career in college football, possibly at Alabama but not in the NFL. IMO college football is outgrowing its original constituency, it is taking on some of the trappings of the NFL and I hate to see that happen. But so often as is said on this site, college football ultimately comes down to the financial bottom line and it does not care if the game changes or not.
 

TommyMac

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Dang good post and I agree completely. While it's unlikely that we'll enjoy the dominance of the Coach Bryant years, we're not gonna be much fun to play by anhyone. :BigA:
 

IMALOYAL1

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Great post in my eyes. Coach Saban arrived at a very good time to turn things around. Good recruiting grounds, a national brand in UA, fans that will be loyal with their support. Coach Saban will stay until he wins another MNC, you can bank on it.
 

dontsabanhate

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great post... i have had to address those rival fans that say "What are you going to do when Saban leaves in a year?" my response has always been that he will stay until he wins a National Title and then he may not leave because he has one of the best jobs in college football where else could he go?

If he did leave we would be in the same situation that LSU is in and i dont think that would be to bad at all
 

bayoutider

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great post... i have had to address those rival fans that say "What are you going to do when Saban leaves in a year?" my response has always been that he will stay until he wins a National Title and then he may not leave because he has one of the best jobs in college football where else could he go?

If he did leave we would be in the same situation that LSU is in and i dont think that would be to bad at all
A good response is What are you going to do if he doesn't?
 

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