Joe Kines and the Front 7 or front 6

[TheCrimsonLiver]

I was going to say I THINK that he better have some great defensive schemes coming into this game to win, but I KNOW this is the only way we have a chance. I really don't care what scheme he has in mind but I do know he needs to mix it up and think outside the box. I know we can play well enough on offense to win but only if we can keep Ainge in check. To do this we need pressure and very good work by our DB's. I am sure we will get burned for a big one but anyone who has ever watched enough football can tell you, the longer you get a QB frustrated the more good things that can happen for a defense.

I have read where they are going to be very agressive in the air. You combine that with pressure on the QB and a kid that is cocky enough to think he is better than whatever Alabama has to throw at him and you have a classic upset waiting to happen. This game will come down to Ainge's mistakes. We get in his head and he tries to force things and try to force plays Alabama will win this game. We let him go unchecked and give him all day to see the field and you might as well be nice and light your Vile buddy's cigar for him. I know everyone has the own opinions on what we need to do to win this but I truly think this is the only way .

 

[jdpas29]

you're right on the money with that post.

if we don't pressure Ainge, it's already over. we will not win a shootout with tenn this year.

but I haven't seen anything this year that shows me that we have the physical ability or the scheme to put any sort of consistent pressure on the QB. tenn will have to have a bad day and we will have to have a very good day for us to win this one.

RTR

 

[mlh]

From what little I've seen of UT this year Ainge has improved significantly under the tutelege of Cutcliff. But he still makes bad decisions and bad throws from time to time, especially when he's pressured. He's a good QB but not a great QB and no better than a couple we've already faced.

It will be interesting to see the strategies and adjustments as Cutcliff and Kines go at each other. Both are very good coaches with tons of experience. It should be quite a chess match.

 

[alatider]

a 3 man rush and prevent defense will get us killed...

I agree, but there again I'm no DC.

 

[Bama Lee]

a 3 man rush and prevent defense will get us killed...

We haven't run a prevent defense.... it's a 3-3-5 scheme. If TN is planning on winning with the short passing game, then this defense is perfect. The 3-3-5 is specifically designed to defend against the spread option and the spread short passing type offenses that are prolific in the NCAA football right now. If the QB is taking a 3 step drop, I don't care if you have nine men on the line... you won't get pressure (there isn't enough time). The 3-3-5 also allows the defense to disguise where the blitz is coming from and provide help in pass coverage for the blitzing players. The defense (as we all know) is horrible against powerfull inside running teams with very physicall offensive lines. If TN goes this route, CJK will have to employ more 4-3 looks. I think our defense matches up well with the Vols. As long as we keep deep containment, I think we will force them into mistakes.

 

[crimsonaudio]

While I think we have to get to Ainge to win this game, I'll defer to Kines' judgement - they guy's a defensive genius. If he wants to run the 3-3-5 the whole game, I'm quite certain he has reasons to believe it will be more successful...

 

[TexasTideFan]

We haven't run a prevent defense.... it's a 3-3-5 scheme. If TN is planning on winning with the short passing game, then this defense is perfect. The 3-3-5 is specifically designed to defend against the spread option and the spread short passing type offenses that are prolific in the NCAA football right now. If the QB is taking a 3 step drop, I don't care if you have nine men on the line... you won't get pressure (there isn't enough time). The 3-3-5 also allows the defense to disguise where the blitz is coming from and provide help in pass coverage for the blitzing players. The defense (as we all know) is horrible against powerfull inside running teams with very physicall offensive lines. If TN goes this route, CJK will have to employ more 4-3 looks. I think our defense matches up well with the Vols. As long as we keep deep containment, I think we will force them into mistakes.

That's about the best summation of the 3-3-5 Defense that I have seen. It's a good Defense for slowing down a really sound passing team because it adds another DB into pass coverage and allows the Safeties to play a little deeper to offset the deep ball threat. You can also disguise alot of blitzes out of it. It also helps we have some pretty athletic Corners that can also come up and play the run quite well but the downside, like you mentioned, is that it will expose you to a running attack, especially with a good OL that can get bocks on our LB's.

 

[BAMARICH]

a 3 man rush and prevent defense will get us killed...

Bama Lee... good explanation about our 3-3-5. It amazes me how many think that this defense is a "prevent defense." To put it simply, any defense has a hole that can be exploited in the passing game. The way CJK typically runs it against most opponents, he employs a "bend but don't break defense." Teams can work their way down the field, but they are going to have to be disciplined in order to use 8-12 plays getting to a score. His philosophy usually causes an opposing team to play mistake-free offensive football to score.

While I have never been a huge fan of the 3-3-5 and a "bend but don't break" defense, I will say that CJK has been successful with this philosophy. Add to that our lack of quality depth on the DL and it's a natural fit. UT, from what I've seen, will make mistakes having to work their way down the field. So, I'd expect this to be our base defense Saturday... using this set to challenge UT to both run the ball and work it slowly down the field. BTW, I'd guarantee you that UT taking time off the clock plays right into our total game plan. :wink:

 

[rgw]

In some ways the 3-3-5 is a "prevent" defense in that we try to keep speed on the field so all plays develop in front of our defenders and the swoop down to make the play. Kines' system reminds me a lot of the Tampa 2 used in the NFL. The defense is not schematically complex; it has preference for containment over attacking; requires good pursuit (but not over-pursuit), speed, and solid tackling.

 

[cooleddie]

I agree that the D has got to get pressure on Ainge in order to force mistakes. However, I think we have to commit to stop the run first. We all know that Phil loves to "pound the rock" and I believe that he would like nothing better than to shove it right down our throat the whole game. We know that the 3-3-5 can be vulnerable to the inside power running game if the LB's are not in position to fill gaps, take on blockers etc... I just have a feeling that after losing the way they did last year and having two weeks to prepare (as usual), Fulmer is going to want to come out & run right at us. I don't think we will see the new "Air Vols" right away. It makes sense...the 3-3-5 has generated plenty of interceptions by our DB's, but the D-line / LB's have shown that we can allow teams to rush right at us. I think it will come down to adjustments and emotion. Our guys have got to be fired up right out of the gate and do something to take the crowd out as soon as possible.

 

[alabamajoe1984]

The 3-3-5 only works if we don't get beat deep or if their wide outs make spectacular catches. We havent seen many sacks with this D and it shows. Bring back the 4-3!!!!!!!

 

[crimsonaudio]

The 3-3-5 only works if we don't get beat deep or if their wide outs make spectacular catches. We havent seen many sacks with this D and it shows. Bring back the 4-3!!!!!!!

Yah, the 3-3-5 worked terribly last year...

If only Joe Kines were as knowledgable as the posters here - we'd be undefeated!!!

 

[TheCrimsonLiver]

Also, look for a lot of misdirection. Lord knows that has hurt us too. I think we don't have a foot left to shoot ourselves in ,either, when it comes to penalties. It's gonna come down to fundimentals. I don't even like talking about it. I think I'm going to be sick.

 

[crimsonbleeder]

you're right on the money with that post.

if we don't pressure Ainge, it's already over. we will not win a shootout with tenn this year.

but I haven't seen anything this year that shows me that we have the physical ability or the scheme to put any sort of consistent pressure on the QB. tenn will have to have a bad day and we will have to have a very good day for us to win this one.

RTR

Yep...I agree. It's nice to be able to pressure, pressure, pressure, when you have the athletes; however, when you can't get there at least some of the time, and the other QB isn't contained, then the plays blow up and you just end up with a tired DL that's frustrated and ends up not knowing what to do...

I hope to see a breakout game defensively for the good guys, though...

 

[Bama-94-00]

It is really a 3-5-3 defense. 2 DBs line up like OLBs at or near the LOS. For whatever that's worth..

 

[bamar]

ainge is better this year. he has proven that so far. he has some large receivers they are tough to cover and they are catching the ball better. the good news is their offensive line is not solid at run blocking as yet. we can score on tennessee, they have given points this year. the ** Academy almost beat them at tenn. of course, they run a version of the wish bone. we will need a running game, which has not occurred as yet. we can pass on them, but, we still need a balanced attack. they have the better kicking game and lets hope it does not come down to that.

 

[Bama Lee]

It is really a 3-5-3 defense. 2 DBs line up like OLBs at or near the LOS. For whatever that's worth..

3-3-5 or 4-3 or 3-4 or whatever is indicative of the personel on the field, not the alignment of those personel!

 

[Bama-94-00]

3-3-5 or 4-3 or 3-4 or whatever is indicative of the personel on the field, not the alignment of those personel!

So what should the Bears' 46 really be then?

 

[Bama Lee]

So what should the Bears' 46 really be then?

The 46 name was borrowed from one of the Chicago player's jersey numbers. The defense also used the conerbacks similar to LB's, so essentially their were four down lineman and 6 Linebackers. I knew some of this, but was actually able to find supporting info on Wikepedia:

The name "46" originally came from the jersey number of Doug Plank, who was a starting safety for the Bears when Ryan originally developed the defense, and typically played in that formation as a surrogate linebacker. It also refers to the idea that the cornerbacks often play bump and run coverage and blitz, acting almost like two extra linebackers.
The key feature of the "46" is that both outside linebackers play on the same side of the formation. The linebackers line up behind the linemen two or three yards from the line of scrimmage. The primary tactic is to rush five to eight players on each play, either to get to the quarterback quickly or disrupt running plays.
The formation was very effective in the 1980s NFL because it often eliminated a team's running game and forced them to throw the ball. This was difficult for many teams at the time because most offensive passing games centered around the play action pass.

 

[TexasTideFan]

The defense also used the conerbacks similar to LB's, so essentially their were four down lineman and 6 Linebackers.

That 46 Defense was a great defense for it's era. I heard that D was one of the reasons Bill Walsh started the concept of the West Coast Offense, which we all know was really created by Urban Meyer.