And yet most don't stupidly put themselves into situations where they end up intentionally taking two lives after having someone else illegally acquire a gun they can't legally buy, in violation of federal law.
Kyle Rittenhouse a hero? Part 2
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You are correct…yet the world is still full of stupid people putting themselves into stupid situations…resulting in life-altering consequences for other people who had nothing to do with the chain-of-stupidity. Wouldn’t it be great if people’s stupid decisions only affected themselves?…..and the adults who were responsible for, but who failed, to love, protect and teach them.
I wish it worked that way, but it's usually others who pay the price.
Lot of questionable people make a whole lot of money, gain a lot of notoriety, and make a lot of popular friends after events (essentially what they’ve become) like this, but let’s take exception to this one? This kid hasn’t had a chance to prove you right, or prove you wrong. The truth is he could never prove you wrong because you won’t accept the verdict of the jury. You guys will whine and be petulant no matter what this kid does with this chance at life. You will celebrate the terrorism he will face trying to go to school as just consequences to his actions, all the while ignoring the consequences those three faced with their actions.
I am not the straw man you seek.
Every word I said is true and even you know it.
I can accept the jury's verdict and still disagree with it. In fact I already have. So far that puts me far ahead of many who can't accept the results of a free and fair election and have gone about changing the laws to make cheating easier next time.
He's had every chance to prove me right and has at every turn, including when he was hanging out with the proud boys and then feigning ignorance and going on TC's "for entertainment purposes only" show with a camera crew embedded with his "team" during the trial. He has his talking points down 100% pat. Yeah, he's proving me pretty much right.
And you think you're better because you choose different people for different reasons? Pot, meet kettle. But you believe you're special because you believe you're right. I guess we are more alike than we care to admit, no?
Meanwhile, you will celebrate him and the horror he inflicts on his victim's loved ones. (the judge may have banned that word in his courtroom while allowing those who were never charged with looting or arson to be called looters and arsonists, but I'm still using it) You'll be OK with right wingers justifying bad behavior. What's that? I'm assuming things about you that aren't fair or true? What's that they say about turnabout?
The useful idiot will face no consequences for his behavior other than gaining fame and fortune. He did choose to be where he was doing what he did, did he not? He wanted to act like a grown man without understanding what that even means. He seems to enjoy it.
I didn't say I thought he would go home. I said he needs to go home. Don't know how you could read anything else in my statement.
I think that this article did a good job of meeting the issues where America and it’s laws currently are. Not where we might wish them to be.
I don’t think that it is unfair to say that where we are as a nation on the gun rights issue is one of impotent acceptance. There is more outrage over kids being told to wear a mask than to prepare for active shooter drills.
There are some very sobering facts about gun culture in America that I believe were pointed out.
Currently there is one side of the political spectrum that believes the only thing that can stop the culture war is an actual war. This side also happens to believe that they are the only side with the means and the wherewithal to enforce their will through armed vigilantism.
The left like to joke about the absurdity of the Proud Boys and use humorous taglines like “Meal Team Six” to diminish the seriousness of the situation, but there are many who support those types on the right. They are building up a stockpile of grievances based upon aggravated projection and gaslighting as trumpeted by Fox, NewsMax and OAN. Those stockpiles of grievances are turning into stockpiles of weapons and aggression.
Court cases like the Rittenhouse one are further providing them with quotes to paste on their walls and cocktails flavored with liberal tears with which to embolden their conviction that if they don’t do something then the next democrat elected is going to take all their guns and force socialism on them.
Gerrymandering is all but ensuring that any state that was close in the presidential election in 2020 will be all but guaranteed red in the next election. Those states will pass further laws suppressing when, where, and who can protest. Those states will also pass measures to protect innocents like Rittenhouse who was just trying to be a good lil’ ‘murican.
I‘m not advocating that all liberals go out and start packing heat everywhere they go. You may fundamentally disagree with my cynical and dystopian view of the future. However if you don’t, I think it is shortsighted to not at least consider that there is a need to meet issues where America is and not where we think it should be. That isn’t to say we shouldn’t strive to be better, or to try and come up with laws that would make it harder for people to cross state lines and participate in vigilantism at a protest. But in my Debbie downer view of the current state of affairs, I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a state willing to pass some sort of Rittenhouse Rescue law soon.
Edit: For reference
Charlie Kirk Denounces Man Asking About Killing People Over Stolen Election
The audience member at the Turning Points USA founder's tour openly called for people to be shot over false election voter fraud claims.
www.newsweek.com
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What bothers me about this case and about the reactions to the verdict (particularly those who agree with the verdict not just based on the merit of current law but also in principle) is this:
Justice was not served and never will be.
Also, a dangerous young man is loosed and is now an inspiration for violent idiots.
I think we can all agree with the last one because we all know that kind is out there. It's bad enough the racists were emboldened and the antivaxxers were emboldened and so on and so forth over these past several years. Now the nuts have a poster child.
The kid was found "not guilty" (not innocent, but "not guilty" of the charged crimes), but there is no justice here at all. The young man paid someone to illegally buy a gun for him and then took possession of that gun and then went looking for trouble and not surprisingly he found it. He thought because he knew how to hold his finger away from the trigger that he really and truly knew how to handle a gun and knew how to handle a situation like he inserted himself into. Obviously by now, he didn't. Two men died because of it and he walks free. That isn't justice, even if it may have been the correct verdict according to the law.
If you see it differently, I guess we'll have to disagree and I'll just weep a little more for current and future society.
But it seems like there was a time when reasonable people could look at a situation like this and say that yeah, the law was followed, but the law needs to change because we don't need scared poopless kids running around killing people after enticing someone to break federal gun laws on their behalf and going into a tense situation he wasn't prepared to deal with. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like some of those laws where people tried to prevent these situation have come off the books. I'm certain that most of those who like the verdict in this case do not care enough to think about what in the law needs to change to prevent this from happening again. And again. And again.
This is just America and that's the way it is.
Justice was not served and never will be.
Also, a dangerous young man is loosed and is now an inspiration for violent idiots.
I think we can all agree with the last one because we all know that kind is out there. It's bad enough the racists were emboldened and the antivaxxers were emboldened and so on and so forth over these past several years. Now the nuts have a poster child.
The kid was found "not guilty" (not innocent, but "not guilty" of the charged crimes), but there is no justice here at all. The young man paid someone to illegally buy a gun for him and then took possession of that gun and then went looking for trouble and not surprisingly he found it. He thought because he knew how to hold his finger away from the trigger that he really and truly knew how to handle a gun and knew how to handle a situation like he inserted himself into. Obviously by now, he didn't. Two men died because of it and he walks free. That isn't justice, even if it may have been the correct verdict according to the law.
If you see it differently, I guess we'll have to disagree and I'll just weep a little more for current and future society.
But it seems like there was a time when reasonable people could look at a situation like this and say that yeah, the law was followed, but the law needs to change because we don't need scared poopless kids running around killing people after enticing someone to break federal gun laws on their behalf and going into a tense situation he wasn't prepared to deal with. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like some of those laws where people tried to prevent these situation have come off the books. I'm certain that most of those who like the verdict in this case do not care enough to think about what in the law needs to change to prevent this from happening again. And again. And again.
This is just America and that's the way it is.
The law is just fine. The mindset that prompts people to hold up "Justice for <insert violent felon's name here>" signs when they reap what they have sown is what needs to change.
'He's A Fan': Trump Welcomes 'Nice Young Man' Kyle Rittenhouse To Mar-A-Lago
The former president gushed about his meeting with the Kenosha killer during an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.
Common sense and basic decency demand that there be some negative consequence for doing what crybaby did, and yet there were none.
it takes a lot of gall to gloat about his acquittal and accuse those not satisfied with the verdict of whining.
it takes a lot of gall to gloat about his acquittal and accuse those not satisfied with the verdict of whining.
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Stupid kid shooting stupid looters when neither should have been there.
What an absolutely disgusting POS.'He's A Fan': Trump Welcomes 'Nice Young Man' Kyle Rittenhouse To Mar-A-Lago
The former president gushed about his meeting with the Kenosha killer during an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.www.huffpost.com
What’s next? Trump giving paid visits to his resort for those convicted from the insurrection?
Just another example that trump is a pig.'He's A Fan': Trump Welcomes 'Nice Young Man' Kyle Rittenhouse To Mar-A-Lago
The former president gushed about his meeting with the Kenosha killer during an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.
Edit - appologies to pigs everywhere
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lots of folks lining up at the trough with him
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