Michigan Under Investigation For Sign Stealing
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So...it would seem there were/are explicit rules (regarding electronic recording and off-campus scouting), and they explicitly broke them.
The problem arises when one must contrive penalties from scratch for any (explicit) violation.
But, Khakipants...it's always something with that guy, no?
The problem arises when one must contrive penalties from scratch for any (explicit) violation.
But, Khakipants...it's always something with that guy, no?
Here is where my mind goes on this whole topic and I've not seen it mentioned here.
Jim Harbaugh was on the brink of being fired a few years ago. The man took a pay cut to keep this job...
And miraculously, Michigan beats Ohio State the very next year and wins the Big Ten and goes to the playoff for the first time. And then they do it again the next year! Amazing!
I'm sure it is just a complete coincidence that all of this stuff started along about the same time.
Just like it is a complete coincidence that Clemson's rise and fall occurred along the same time that they allegedly began a sign stealing campaign and said campaign was discovered and dismantled.
It's bizarre.
Jim Harbaugh was on the brink of being fired a few years ago. The man took a pay cut to keep this job...
And miraculously, Michigan beats Ohio State the very next year and wins the Big Ten and goes to the playoff for the first time. And then they do it again the next year! Amazing!
I'm sure it is just a complete coincidence that all of this stuff started along about the same time.
Just like it is a complete coincidence that Clemson's rise and fall occurred along the same time that they allegedly began a sign stealing campaign and said campaign was discovered and dismantled.
It's bizarre.
Once they played someone that the Assistant didnt scout..i.e the CFP semi final opponent, because they didnt know who that would be, ...their results dont look so good in that 2 year period...hmmm.....
What you are describing here is in-game work. What meatchicken is doing, and is expressly written out as a violation by the NZAA, is pre-scouting in person and recording the other team.
IF the ncaa doesn’t come down extremely hard on meatchicken and the coaches involved, which is going to be all of them because if the info was used then the entire program bears some guilt for successes gained by gaining the info, then I think this will be the beginning of life support being removed for the ncaa as a governing body of college football. Programs aren’t going to stand by and let this not go unpunished.
Frankly the BIG10 brass could step up if they see the opportunity, to try and become the leading voice in rules enforcement and drop the hammer themselves. Presuming it will give them a leg up on being the entity in charge of the new college football world as it evolves out from under the ncaa.
Frankly the BIG10 brass could step up if they see the opportunity, to try and become the leading voice in rules enforcement and drop the hammer themselves. Presuming it will give them a leg up on being the entity in charge of the new college football world as it evolves out from under the ncaa.
I think the point is it's an archaic rule in today's world and needs to go away.
I'm no Michigan fan, but goodness this is silly.
DEFUND THE NCAA!
At first, I kind of took this as a “meh” type situation. Okay they are stealing signs. You’re getting sloppy by using the same things. Change it up.
But now, assuming these reports are true and given the elaborate extent this staffer went to “make it happen”, the more this really begins to stink. It’s one thing during the course of a game to “pick up something”. That is gamesmanship. Setting up an elaborate system of espionage on future opponents is another. And nothing this complicated happens without Coach Creepy Sleepover knowing.
But now, assuming these reports are true and given the elaborate extent this staffer went to “make it happen”, the more this really begins to stink. It’s one thing during the course of a game to “pick up something”. That is gamesmanship. Setting up an elaborate system of espionage on future opponents is another. And nothing this complicated happens without Coach Creepy Sleepover knowing.
Last time Michigan played a team they couldn’t steal signals from, they gave up 51 points and lost to a bad TCU team. Makes you think.
'There's honor amongst thieves': What college football coaches say about legal and illlegal sign stealing
With the NCAA investigating Michigan for sign stealing, we surveyed coaches from around the country to see what they thought.
www.espn.com
I do not care what punishment they receive or if they receive punishment at all. The only interest I have in this ordeal is that it explains how a coach can go from almost fired several years into his tenure to back to back CFP appearances.
He had been at Michigan for 6 seasons. And he had finished no better than 10-3. And he had not yet beaten Ohio State. They were coming off a disaster of a 2020 season, which was Covid, and they clearly wanted to fire him. But due to the financial circumstances of the lockdown, they couldn't really afford it, and he had nowhere to go, so an arrangement is reached to have him take a pay cut.
How do you come off of that 6 year run to go 12-2, 13-1, two straight Big Ten titles, two straight Ohio State wins, two straight CFP appearances?
So now it is explained. I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh is in the NFL next season, though I realize he rubbed a lot of NFL people the wrong way during his San Francisco tenure.
A little Off topic but I had to reread this a few times as I thought “meatchicken” was a user on here and couldn’t figure what was going on 
The NCAA is so inconsistent that I doubt anything will come of this.
It still just aggravates me that Bama had to vacate 21 wins for a "textbook scandal".
I know it aggravates Ohio State fans that they vacated 11 wins for some players receiving tattoos for some OSU merchandise.
This is much worse... as far as competitive advantage. Plus it was done by coaching staff.
It still just aggravates me that Bama had to vacate 21 wins for a "textbook scandal".
I know it aggravates Ohio State fans that they vacated 11 wins for some players receiving tattoos for some OSU merchandise.
This is much worse... as far as competitive advantage. Plus it was done by coaching staff.
Or michigan will get the death penalty. No blue font.
I'm not defending the fact that michigan broke the rules, but I am frustrated that the national communists against athletes are so hyper-focused on nailing Harbaugh for anything they can because he's embarrassed them that they're obsessing over this level of stupidity while allowing the sport we know and love to burn to the ground due to uncontrolled NIL and transfers - which they've allowed.
IOW, I don't care, screw the ncaa.
Copied from Reddit:
"Jim Harbaugh went 2-4 in 2020, capping a 47-22 run (.681) over six years. Since @PeteThamel reported the Michigan allegations began in 2021, Michigan has gone 33-3 (.917). Conference record has improved from 34-16 (.680) to 22-1 (.956)"
As was noted, in 2020 there were no fans in the stadium at all...
How many wins is UM ahead of us on the all time wins category? That's how many they need to forfeit. Right is right.lol
Even with all the allegations, they got manhandled when it mattered against Georgia in 21’ and outcoached immensely by TCU in 22’. Unless a NC is won, the NZAA probably slaps them on the hand
Reminds me of the Jerry Tarkanian quote-
“The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they’re going to give Cleveland State another year of probation.”
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