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Ldlane said:
Cecil states that Pitino isn't a 2nd choice. Up to bat is Miller and Prohm. However, i think UT problems with Smarts buyout is intriguing.
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Out of the 3, I'd prefer Smart, Miller would be a consolation prize, and Prohm would be a gee, Battle is bad at his job option (c'mon resorting to the unproven coach with ties to Alabama thing?).

I'd be happy with Smart if Alabama could lure him in part because he's accomplished the most, but it would also prove that he actually does think highly of Alabama. It seems like a long shot now, but if Alabama doesn't at least offer it seems like a mistake.

I hope Crean doesn't make the list. If the guy can't do anything at Indiana, he'd be really bad at Alabama.
 
TideEngineer08 said:
It's not really close to a fair comparison at all. Kansas has never been good in football. Ever. It's really difficult to make football/basketball comparisons anyway but while we may not be as good as some of us like to think, we are certainly not as bad as so many of us believe either. If you want to make football/basketball comparisons, look at it like this. Alabama in basketball is a lot like Florida was in football before Steve Spurrier took over. They were a decent program that had not ever really won much of consequence but they were sitting on a goldmine of potential that, when they finally got the right coach, they became a powerhouse.

That is what Alabama basketball could ​be.
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I agree. It's sad to think that, unless you're about 40 yrs old, you really haven't seen good Alabama basketball and never knew what it was like when Wimp was here. True, he never got us past the sweet 16 but his teams were competitive and could play with anybody, even Georgetown back in the Patrick Ewing days if I recall. Fan enthusiasm was also through the roof.

Our program has great potential, it just needs the right leader.
 
KrAzY3 said:
One reason that I, much to the consternation of some other posters,kept bringing up Barnes was not because I thought he was a long term solution, not because I thought he was a perfect hire, but because he represented in more than one way what Alabama was facing.

Barnes represents unrealistic expectations (19 out of 20 NCAA tournaments, isn't good enough), a proven coach, the short term solution to a gamble on an unproven coach, what was available, and finally how fast a coach can be hired.

Alabama is now faced with the possibility that Auburn, Miss. State and Tennessee all end up with coaches that get better results. I don't think Alabama was wrong to go after Marshall, but it was too slow (I think most of us saw that and started to see things going down the drain), and far too out in the open.

This doesn't mean that Battle gets the hire wrong, but if it's "Little Pitino", he did... at best Pitino would have to learn on the job. If it's Prohm, he did (one NCAA tournament in 4 years?). Archie Miller I could stomach, at least he's been to the Elite 8...

But, Alabama desperately needs someone in there that knows what he's doing. Someone mentioned Lon Kruger and that type of coach would be great as a plan b. Someone who doesn't have to learn, someone who already knows. Someone that can put the program on the right track and not get dominated by the likes of Pearl, Barnes, and Howland. Hopefully someone comes out of the woodwork.
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I'm actually looking forward to seeing how he does at Tenercee. Will this be a good hire by Hart or will he fail and only get in the NCAA playoffs and March Madness every year except one only to see Tenercee knocked out in the first or second game.

Let's look back next year and the next after that to see how he does. I actually hope that other Orange, the burnt one, school doesn't see March Madness except on TV.

Now! Back to the program with TideFans finding a replacement for CAG and assisting CBB in this search. I'm sure CBB is reading TideFans 24/7 to see what he should do.
 
TideEngineer08 said:
It's not really close to a fair comparison at all. Kansas has never been good in football. Ever. It's really difficult to make football/basketball comparisons anyway but while we may not be as good as some of us like to think, we are certainly not as bad as so many of us believe either. If you want to make football/basketball comparisons, look at it like this. Alabama in basketball is a lot like Florida was in football before Steve Spurrier took over. They were a decent program that had not ever really won much of consequence but they were sitting on a goldmine of potential that, when they finally got the right coach, they became a powerhouse.

That is what Alabama basketball could ​be.
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They have had Good years, but then again I also said we are more like GT in football.

As for the Florida comparison...Meh. I still think we arent exactly sitting on a talent hub for basketball players like Florida was for football. Alabama has serious in state recruiting between Auburn and UAB. Still think we could have a decent hire and bring the excitement up a little bit, but to think we could have a 90s type Florida splash is still a stretch even had we landed Marshall.
 
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Time is ticking for Mr Basketball in the state of Alabama..
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KrAzY3 said:
Out of the 3, I'd prefer Smart, Miller would be a consolation prize, and Prohm would be a gee, Battle is bad at his job option (c'mon resorting to the unproven coach with ties to Alabama thing?).

I'd be happy with Smart if Alabama could lure him in part because he's accomplished the most, but it would also prove that he actually does think highly of Alabama. It seems like a long shot now, but if Alabama doesn't at least offer it seems like a mistake.

I hope Crean doesn't make the list. If the guy can't do anything at Indiana, he'd be really bad at Alabama.
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The guy won 29 games at Indiana, twice. He got a number one seed in the NCAA tournament. He won a big 10 title and he rebuilt the program from broken glass. He hasn't made it to a Final Four, true. Neither has Sean Miller. Curious, do you consider him a bust?
 
CrimsonEyeshade said:
[/B]The guy won 29 games at Indiana, twice. He got a number one seed in the NCAA tournament. He won a big 10 title and he rebuilt the program from broken glass. He hasn't made it to a Final Four, true. Neither has Sean Miller. Curious, do you consider him a bust?
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That's easy, couldn't make it past the Sweet 16, with multiple lottery picks on his team (the only major success he's had was with Wade, and pretty much every coach who had Wade has major success). I don't care about seeding, all my posts have pertained to actual results. 44-77 conference record (astoundingly bad), 3 NCAA trips in 7 years, at a basketball school. If he hadn't gone 17-15 the previous season, I'd buy that he has things on track, but he's shown no consistency in his career. Clearly though, Indiana basketball is ahead of Alabama basketball. He'd have nowhere to go but down and by the looks of things down for him is pretty bad.

I can't fathom why some people turned their noses up at a guy who went to the NCAA tournament 16 out of 17 times at a school that never won a championship, but others like the idea of a guy who only takes a basketball power to the tournament 3 out of 7 years.
 
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I'm with you on Barnes. Would have been a solid, not flashy, hire who would have brought coast-to-coast recruiting connections when he walked through the door.
 
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Thanks, yep considering the piece I saw that we had contacted Pitino to be false. Kinda starting to think it will be a name we haven't mentioned. I would think Battle somewhat was fine with CGM info public, but all the others are behind the scenes. Maybe that is deliberate strategy!
Ldlane said:
Cecil states that Pitino isn't a 2nd choice. Up to bat is Miller and Prohm. However, i think UT problems with Smarts buyout is intriguing.
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Let it go, he isn't coming... lets talk about people that might possible show up... even if its a rare chance

KrAzY3 said:
One reason that I, much to the consternation of some other posters,kept bringing up Barnes was not because I thought he was a long term solution, not because I thought he was a perfect hire, but because he represented in more than one way what Alabama was facing.

Barnes represents unrealistic expectations (19 out of 20 NCAA tournaments, isn't good enough), a proven coach, the short term solution to a gamble on an unproven coach, what was available, and finally how fast a coach can be hired.

Alabama is now faced with the possibility that Auburn, Miss. State and Tennessee all end up with coaches that get better results. I don't think Alabama was wrong to go after Marshall, but it was too slow (I think most of us saw that and started to see things going down the drain), and far too out in the open.

This doesn't mean that Battle gets the hire wrong, but if it's "Little Pitino", he did... at best Pitino would have to learn on the job. If it's Prohm, he did (one NCAA tournament in 4 years?). Archie Miller I could stomach, at least he's been to the Elite 8...

But, Alabama desperately needs someone in there that knows what he's doing. Someone mentioned Lon Kruger and that type of coach would be great as a plan b. Someone who doesn't have to learn, someone who already knows. Someone that can put the program on the right track and not get dominated by the likes of Pearl, Barnes, and Howland. Hopefully someone comes out of the woodwork.
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KrAzY3 said:
That's easy, couldn't make it past the Sweet 16, with multiple lottery picks on his team (the only major success he's had was with Wade, and pretty much every coach who had Wade has major success). I don't care about seeding, all my posts have pertained to actual results. 44-77 conference record (astoundingly bad), 3 NCAA trips in 7 years, at a basketball school. If he hadn't gone 17-15 the previous season, I'd buy that he has things on track, but he's shown no consistency in his career. Clearly though, Indiana basketball is ahead of Alabama basketball. He'd have nowhere to go but down and by the looks of things down for him is pretty bad.

I can't fathom why some people turned their noses up at a guy who went to the NCAA tournament 16 out of 17 times at a school that never won a championship, but others like the idea of a guy who only takes a basketball power to the tournament 3 out of 7 years.
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Crean's far from my first choice but I certainly like him better than a lot of the jokers being mentioned.

One thing I like about Crean: In his entire coaching career, if you ignore the year when he changed jobs, his record has either gotten better or stayed the same every year but two. That is evidence, to me, that his teams improve when he is coaching. That's 12 out of 14 years his record has either stayed the same or gotten better.

And you can't pay attention to that stat about "losing to lower seeded teams in the tournament." When you are a high seed, you are going to lose to lower seeds. In the last 4 years, Coach K has lost to a 5 seed (as a 1 seed), a 15 seed (as a 2 seed), a 1 seed (as a 2 seed), and a 14 seed (as a 3 seed).

Again, Crean's not my first pick but I'd be happy with him. I think he's better than many give him credit for. His teams get better, he's been to the Final Four, he's won his conference, he's rebuilt a program, and he's considered a good recruiter and talent evaluator. If we're looking at comparing his resume to Richard Pitino, Steve Prohm, or even Shaka Smart, I think Crean's resume stands out.

But, this is all for naught. He's not a legit candidate, IMO.
 
wsims74 said:
Let it go, he isn't coming... lets talk about people that might possible show up... even if its a rare chance
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To whom are you referring? I mentioned Barnes, Marshall, Pitino, Prohm, Miller, Kruger, Pearl, and Howland in that post. I think we know which are completely off the table, but comparisons are relevant.

GreatDanish said:
Crean's far from my first choice but I certainly like him better than a lot of the jokers being mentioned.
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I have a major issue with Crean's lack of consistency and doing less with more. However, I agree he's not the worst name being thrown out there, I'd rank him about even with Prohm.
 
I'd see what Archie Miller says and if he is not interested ( Assuming Shaka Smart is completely off the table). I'd offer it to Prohm who almost certainly would be delighted to take it and he would likely be a guy who would put extra effort into being successful here as he is an alum. Time to nail this thing down.
 
Rama Jama said:
I'd see what Archie Miller says and if he is not interested ( Assuming Shaka Smart is completely off the table). I'd offer it to Prohm who almost certainly would be delighted to take it and he would likely be a guy who would put extra effort into being successful here as he is an alum. Time to nail this thing down.
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81usaf92 said:
They have had Good years, but then again I also said we are more like GT in football.

As for the Florida comparison...Meh. I still think we arent exactly sitting on a talent hub for basketball players like Florida was for football. Alabama has serious in state recruiting between Auburn and UAB. Still think we could have a decent hire and bring the excitement up a little bit, but to think we could have a 90s type Florida splash is still a stretch even had we landed Marshall.
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Alabama ought to beat out Auburn or UAB for talent. They may not get every guy, but they should get more than Auburn/UAB does. We have more resources - by far.
 
Agree. I think you offer both Miller and Smart (Problems with UT and buyout) and see. Prohm isn't as bad as everyone seems to think. (Famous last words!)
Rama Jama said:
I'd see what Archie Miller says and if he is not interested ( Assuming Shaka Smart is completely off the table). I'd offer it to Prohm who almost certainly would be delighted to take it and he would likely be a guy who would put extra effort into being successful here as he is an alum. Time to nail this thing down.
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