Observations from Ole Miss game

Tradition4ever

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I though I'd post some of my observations from this past Saturday's game and see what some of you guys thought about it:

1) I thought the offense showed up for this game, especially JPW. he looked confident and in control the whole game, and it was against zone defense for much of the game. Big improvement on his part this week.

2) DJ Hall, when 100%, is a beast. He looked determined to make plays in this game, and I don't think there is a DB in the SEC that can cover him one on one when he's healthy. It was also good to see a number of other guys get involved, even if it was just one or two catches.

3) The O-line looked good for most of the day, but I'm concerned by the fact that one player (Hardy) could single-handedly disrupt our offense like he did. I can understand a guy having a good day, but our O-lineman need to step up and shut the guy down.

4) The running game was effective, and that really helps our passing attack. Glen Coffee had one of those days, like we all have, where you just can't get it together. Terry Grant had some good plays, but he missed some opportunities by trying to break the run outside. He's still hesitating too much, but that's my opinion only. This leads me to this question: Why didn't Roy Upchurch play more? He was obviously the most effective runner we had during the game, especially since Coffee had trouble hanging on to the ball. This has been the only instance where I was questioning the decisions by the coaches, although I have complete confidence in the coaches and I realize they know what they're doing. It is just my observation and opinion, and if I was making the decisions, I would've played Upchurch more.

5) The D is playing fast. We get to the ball quickly, and we seem to tackle well most of the time. The D is still learning, and that is obvious. But they seem to be improving as far as knowing the scheme. However, I was concerned with the lack of physicality and lack of QB pressure from our D. I think that the play at the end of the game where the Ole Miss receiver (Hodge, who stepped out of bounds) took the ball away from Lionel Mitchell. It was clear that Mitchell caught the ball, but Hodge just wanted it more. It was the same thing when Simeon Castille gave up the touchdown in the 2nd half. Castille was in perfect position to pick off the pass, but the OM receiver made a play and snatched the ball out of the air, right in front of Castille. Its a matter of aggression. Castille should've made a play for the ball instead of waiting on the ball to come to him. He did just that earlier in the game when he picked off Adams, but he missed getting another one by waiting instead of being aggressive. Maybe the lack of aggressiveness and physicality is due to these guys not fully knowing the scheme and their responsibilities, and therefore are thinking more about where they are supposed to be instead of concentrating on being aggressive and physical. I don't know.

6) Javier Arenas won this game for us. I bet we don't see teams kick to him anymore if they can help it. He's an unbelievable weapon that we've not had since Prothro went down.

7) This team is improving, but there are still some big hurdles for CNS and his staff to overcome with this team, and its not a lack of talent. The attitude is getter better, and each close game we win helps.
 

Alanbama27

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I agree about the "O" line but this another example of how thin we are. Without Britt (and I encourage him to be with his family) we had to move players around and when you do that you leave the door open for mistakes and people being beaten.

It is my sincere hope that Mrs. Britt gets better by the way...so far the news it good.
 

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7) This team is improving, but there are still some big hurdles for CNS and his staff to overcome with this team, and its not a lack of talent. The attitude is getting better, and each close game we win helps.
That is the main thing that CNS brings in my eyes. I expect our team to play the same or better throughout the season, not get progressively worse. We had some problems and big miscues on sat., but even UF had a hard time with OM.
 

BAMA504

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I agree, do not know what many people wanted out of this game but, for me all I wanted was a W and I got it... People seem to forget this the same ol sis team that had a shot at beating the gaterds and really hangs around against better teams. They might be last in almost every category but they play to their talent level and above in many cases!!

I also agree that Hardy was a dis-appointment for us, he was all over us like white on rice and really was a one man wrecking ball that should of been dealt with. Can't block them all but he was the one I would of doubled every single play!

I too wonder about Upchurch, he is started to perk my interest and the guy has speed to burn not like TG but he is no slow poke and he is bigger. Another plus is he is hungry and from reports at practice is really getting after some playing time!!
 

ashleync

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I appreciate your observations. You seem to be spot on. I have only one real observation to take away from this game:

We play up or down to the level of competition. We are a very average football team, and we probably will not get any better or worse the rest of this season, with this group of players. Against teams that don't defend well, we look like the offense of the century. Against teams that DO defend well, JP will struggle and we will call for McElroy to come in for him. Against teams that play poorly on offense, our defense plays "above expectations." Against better than average offenses, our defense struggles and looks fairly beaten.

These are the hallmarks of an average football team. I will take my 7-5 and run with it, but I would not be totally shocked to end up with 9 wins. I would also not be completely shocked, albeit disappointed, with only 6 wins. We are average right now, and that's not a bad place for a guy like Saban to take over a program. LSU was probably just below average when he got down there. Look at the progress they made. But it takes RECRUITING. We have consistently been the 6-7-8 best team in the conference, which corresponds to how we've recruited. Our current Rivals rating has us #4 in the nation, and only behind UGA in the SEC. I'd give that signing class two years to be in the system before they start to look like a championship team. 2009...........
 

BamaInBham

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[7) This team is improving, but there are still some big hurdles for CNS and his staff to overcome with this team, and its not a lack of talent. The attitude is getter better, and each close game we win helps.[/quote]

I agree with several of your points, but this is certainly not one. Bama is short on talent in most spots.

The WRs are good.

The OL has 2 studs but needs help at times at the other 3 spots.

The QB play is spotty at best, though the OM game offered hope.

There is no bigtime RB - but they are servicable. Probably the reason that the passing game is the emphasis - trying to get the ball to the playmakers. There are none at RB - Grant can be if he can get out in space, but that is hard for a RB. (LSU, UGA, SC, Ark, AU, UT, OM, MSU all have 1 or more RBs better than any of Bama's.)

There are no playmakers on DL, though Gilberry can be when playing a certain level of competition. It is improving though.

The LBs have some talent (McClain, Knight, Hall to a lesser degree), but those who do have little experience. This is a complicated defense and they have been frequently confused. I love Mustin and Saunders, they play hard with a great attitude.

The secondary is improving. Castille has talent and Johnson's 'ball skills' have improved dramatically. Jackson will be very good, but is a true Fr.

This team is probably 8th in the SEC in talent: LSU, UF, UT, UGA, AU, Ark, USC, Bama, UK, MSU, OM, Vandy. The only area where Bama is above average is at WR.
 

CapitalTider

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1) I thought the offense showed up for this game, especially JPW.
Agreed, the Ole Miss game was what I expected for this season, the offense to play pretty well but the defense to struggle at times.

2) DJ Hall, when 100%, is a beast. He looked determined to make plays in this game, and I don't think there is a DB in the SEC that can cover him one on one when he's healthy.
I agree, again. I was at the game and was curious how many catches he had. It seemed like he caught every ball, which he obviously didn't.

4) The running game was effective, and that really helps our passing attack. Glen Coffee had one of those days, like we all have, where you just can't get it together. Terry Grant had some good plays, but he missed some opportunities by trying to break the run outside. He's still hesitating too much, but that's my opinion only. This leads me to this question: Why didn't Roy Upchurch play more? He was obviously the most effective runner we had during the game, especially since Coffee had trouble hanging on to the ball. This has been the only instance where I was questioning the decisions by the coaches, although I have complete confidence in the coaches and I realize they know what they're doing. It is just my observation and opinion, and if I was making the decisions, I would've played Upchurch more.
I think that may be using a bit too much hindsight. Coffee seemed to be effective running the ball, it was the fumbles that really ruined his day. I agree with Coach giving him another shot after the first, but then the bench after the second (especially since it was so costly). I'm still concerned about Grant's size against SEC opponents. He is very fast, so he tries to bounce things outside, but SEC defenses are also fast. I hope he can bulk up some in the offseason and keep his speed. If he can I believe he will grow into a phenomenal RB. Upchurch has played well when he has been in the game. I think it may just be a factor of depth and him having to work his way out of the doghouse.

5) The D is playing fast. We get to the ball quickly, and we seem to tackle well most of the time. The D is still learning, and that is obvious. But they seem to be improving as far as knowing the scheme. However, I was concerned with the lack of physicality and lack of QB pressure from our D.
I disagree some here. It seems like we miss a lot of tackles and we seemed to get decent pressure against Ole Miss. Remember pressure means "hurried throws" as much as actual sacks.

Castille was in perfect position to pick off the pass, but the OM receiver made a play and snatched the ball out of the air, right in front of Castille. Its a matter of aggression.
It's also a matter of judgin risk vs. reward. If the DB goes for the INT and misses he may give up a TD, especially if he doesn't have Safety help. I'm not sure where the Safeties were on that play.

6) Javier Arenas won this game for us. I bet we don't see teams kick to him anymore if they can help it. He's an unbelievable weapon that we've not had since Prothro went down.
He is quite a weapon, my wife asked why Ole Miss kept kicking the ball the way they did on kick-offs. After that punt return she understood.
 

JD95

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The game with Ole Miss was actually pretty much what I expected to see all season long -- offense operating efficiently (except for the turnovers -- one especially bad inside the 5 yard line) and the defense struggling. If the "O" can keep playing like it did on Saturday and the "D" can revert to the form it showed against Vandy and the first half of the Arkansas game, we can pull a couple of upsets and play on New Year's Day. On the other hand, this team is very capable of going 1-4 down the stretch. It should be an exciting ride!
 

Nick4Bama

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I saw improvement and a win and that's all I wanted to see.

If it wasn't for the turnovers Bama would have won this game easily. Ole Miss would have given up on the run early and Bama would have blown them out. The turnovers really concern me. Bama can't do that this week and win against ut.
 

TexasTideFan

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I saw improvement and a win and that's all I wanted to see.
We always play Ole Miss tight, heck we play everybody tight now so the W was nice, but get the points from Coffee's fumble at the 3 and maybe the points from the fake FG and this game would have been over long before the last series. Bottom line, the Offense looked the best it has all season. JPW played really good (ie. good throws, moved the Offense well, no bonehead game killer turnovers). We converted some critical 3rd downs which was nice. The running game looked decent when we did not fumble. The O-Line had some issues containing the pass rush from the DE but I think alot had to do with missed assignments with Britt being out. Over on Defense, we need more pressure on the QB. When virtual unknown QB's at Ole Miss and Houston look like All-Americans, you are having issues on getting pressure. The LB's looked allright in run support but they did cough up some big gains because they played the wrong gaps or got burned in overpursuit. The Secondary play was OK but props for the INT's. Finally, JA is maybe the deadliest returner in the conference.
 

MNBamaFan

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We are a very average football team, and we probably will not get any better or worse the rest of this season, with this group of players. Against teams that don't defend well, we look like the offense of the century. Against teams that DO defend well, JP will struggle and we will call for McElroy to come in for him. Against teams that play poorly on offense, our defense plays "above expectations." Against better than average offenses, our defense struggles and looks fairly beaten.
This is exactly what I felt after the game - a very average football team in terms of overall talent, particularly on defense. I believe Saban and staff are doing a GREAT job with what they have and our W-L record would be worse if not for them.

I believe we must endure this season and live the inevitable highs and lows that come with it. But we can also enjoy it because we know we're in very good hands (finally) and help is on the way in a BIG way.
 

BAMA504

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Chris Capps was in at RT the last few series. Did Mike Johnson get hurt during the game?
No Hardy was setting up camp in our backfield and I think it was more of a change of pace or an experiment to see if Capps wanted his job back!
 

Sierra65

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Chris Capps was in at RT the last few series. Did Mike Johnson get hurt during the game?
No, he wasn't hurt. I think he just ran out of his allotment of "look-out" blocks.
 
This team is probably 8th in the SEC in talent: LSU, UF, UT, UGA, AU, Ark, USC, Bama, UK, MSU, OM, Vandy. The only area where Bama is above average is at WR.
I'm not sure you have Kentucky in the correct spot. Either they have more talent than you give them credit for, or Rich Brooks has done an outstanding job of coaching up mediocre talent. I put them ahead of us at the moment.
 

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All good observations. I'm about to join the chorus for Arenas to be put at slot receiver. Somebody with that kind of magic in his legs just needs to touch the ball more than 2-3 times a game. Putting him in the slot should make the opposing DC's blood run cold, after seeing what he can do in space. They'd have to account for him every play and that leaves even more room for the other receivers...
 

Crimson Grin

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All good observations. I'm about to join the chorus for Arenas to be put at slot receiver. Somebody with that kind of magic in his legs just needs to touch the ball more than 2-3 times a game. Putting him in the slot should make the opposing DC's blood run cold, after seeing what he can do in space. They'd have to account for him every play and that leaves even more room for the other receivers...
Exactly my thoughts :iagree:
 

Tradition4ever

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I'm not sure you have Kentucky in the correct spot. Either they have more talent than you give them credit for, or Rich Brooks has done an outstanding job of coaching up mediocre talent. I put them ahead of us at the moment.
I wouldn't put UK ahead of Bama as far as overall talent goes. I bet that if you were to look at the recruiting rankings over the past couple of seasons, whether you looked at class rankings or individual player analysis, Bama would rate higher than UK. UK success can be contributed to excellent play from the QB, which is ever so important in college f'ball, or any f'ball, for that matter. Also, don't underestimate the job Rich Brooks has done there. It took him a while, but he's a solid coach, and his players have bought into him and his sytem.

My point with saying that a lack of talent wasn't the problem doesn't mean that we aren't lacking talent. We are lacking talent overall when compared to the LSU's, AU's, and FL's of the world, but we have, IMO, enough talent to win against anybody. That's what CNS is trying to get these players to understand. If CNS says we have the talent to win, I believe him.

The underlying problem, IMO from "reading/watching between the lines" is that these players have yet to understand that they need to play mean, and nasty (not dirty), and aggressively. They need to want to own and dominate their opponents on every play. I will say this: If someone who didn't follow SEC football, or football at all, watched that game last Saturday, I bet that they would walk away from that game thinking OM had more playmakers, maybe more talent, than Bama. What does that say, to you, about this Bama team?
 
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Tradition4ever

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All good observations. I'm about to join the chorus for Arenas to be put at slot receiver. Somebody with that kind of magic in his legs just needs to touch the ball more than 2-3 times a game. Putting him in the slot should make the opposing DC's blood run cold, after seeing what he can do in space. They'd have to account for him every play and that leaves even more room for the other receivers...
I hadn't thought of that, but its a great idea. Arenas just knows how to find the creases, and seems to set up and read his blocks well. It would definately be a wrinkle to throw in next week.
 

alextupelo

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All good observations. I'm about to join the chorus for Arenas to be put at slot receiver. Somebody with that kind of magic in his legs just needs to touch the ball more than 2-3 times a game. Putting him in the slot should make the opposing DC's blood run cold, after seeing what he can do in space. They'd have to account for him every play and that leaves even more room for the other receivers...
i think its a great idea, just don't know about the DB rotation taking a hit like that, of course i can't remember seeing Arenas on the field besides kick returns yet...?
 
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