Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama @ Vandy...

[gtgilbert]

I agree, but could also say that a more experienced WR, as the primary receiver on that play, might have gotten his head around faster and made a better play on the ball.

Milroe released the ball on time. He has too much trust in Williams, IMO.

so that's where we disagree. IMO, the ball was very late arriving as JM didn't start the throw until AFTER RW planted for the turn. On this one, he should have thrown it right as RW crossed the 35 and started to decelerate and then the DB doesn't have the time to close the gap. Even if RW got his head around faster, the ball would not have been there because he'd come back from the 38 to the 36 before the ball arrived. See below.

RW is STARING at the ball, he's fully turned around, waiting. The ball should already be in his hands but it's just barely across the 30 and the DB has had time to close the gap already and is in great shape to get the PBU. This DB already chose to not try to undercut the route and just play for the PBU.



Also, #5 was likely the primary as his route stopped half a count earlier. Honestly he was open (at least as open as these routes gets). His was similar but instead of a straight stop and back, it was a stop to the outside as the DB played inside shoulder. It was also there if the ball is on time.

 

[BamaMoon]

This was a great catch by Williams! The way he can control and contort his body is incredible.

I think Cole Cublic's comparison to Lynn Swann is NOT hyperbole!

It's ridiculous how he can adjust in the air!!!

 

[BamaMoon]

The Defense didn't do it's job, but I'd like to analyze this a bit deeper...

1. Pick six -- not on the defense
2. Milroe Fumble -- (I think that turned into 3 points -- might have been 7)
3. Two #2s on the punt return -- extended the drive - turned into either 3 or 7 points (again, not sure)

So, anywhere from 13 to 21 points -- that aren't on the defense.

Vandy was predicted to score about 20 points in the game -- so, the math says -- the defense underperformed, but any of those 3 above don't happen, we are complaining, but we aren't jumping off the Tallahachee Bridge...

I know nobody wants to entertain these contextual points, but these type of things answer the question "How can #1 Alabama lost to an unranked Vandy team?"

The defense is the easy target, but citing their failure against Vandy and backing that up with what happened in the last three quarters against Georgia is failing to realize the context of both of those games being not being normal game contexts.

 

[Cruloc]

The Defense didn't do it's job, but I'd like to analyze this a bit deeper...

1. Pick six -- not on the defense
2. Milroe Fumble -- (I think that turned into 3 points -- might have been 7)
3. Two #2s on the punt return -- extended the drive - turned into either 3 or 7 points (again, not sure)

So, anywhere from 13 to 21 points -- that aren't on the defense.

Vandy was predicted to score about 20 points in the game -- so, the math says -- the defense underperformed, but any of those 3 above don't happen, we are complaining, but we aren't jumping off the Tallahachee Bridge...

Pick six was a slightly late throw, the DB made a good play on the ball.

Fumble was all Pritchett. He was falling over. I don't know if he just tripped or what, but that was awful.

The two 2's....that turned into 7, I remember that very vividly. We had the stop, then they get 7. Who was in charge of that, it was the difference in the game.

 

[B1GTide]

so that's where we disagree. IMO, the ball was very late arriving as JM didn't start the throw until AFTER RW planted for the turn. On this one, he should have thrown it right as RW crossed the 35 and started to decelerate and then the DB doesn't have the time to close the gap. Even if RW got his head around faster, the ball would not have been there because he'd come back from the 38 to the 36 before the ball arrived. See below.

RW is STARING at the ball, he's fully turned around, waiting. The ball should already be in his hands but it's just barely across the 30 and the DB has had time to close the gap already and is in great shape to get the PBU. This DB already chose to not try to undercut the route and just play for the PBU.

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Also, #5 was likely the primary as his route stopped half a count earlier. Honestly he was open (at least as open as these routes gets). His was similar but instead of a straight stop and back, it was a stop to the outside as the DB played inside shoulder. It was also there if the ball is on time.

Yeah, agree to disagree. Milroe is now a great college football QB. Great, not good. He makes far fewer mistakes than most college QBs, and makes far more great plays, while now also making most 0-15 yard pass plays look easy.

NFL QBs make more mistakes than Milroe has made this year. But some Alabama fans keep focusing on his mistakes.

This is not last year's Milroe.

 

[BamaMoon]

Yeah, agree to disagree. Milroe is now a great college football QB. Great, not good. He makes far fewer mistakes than most college QBs, and makes far more great plays, while now also making most 0-15 yard pass plays look easy.

NFL QBs make more mistakes than Milroe has made this year. But some Alabama fans keep focusing on his mistakes.

This is not last year's Milroe.

I with ya...and I was extremely passionate about his play last year. But he's grown as much as anybody at QB in one year that I can remember! The way he's hitting the short and intermediate routes has changed my perception of him.

 

[rolltide_21]

Yeah, agree to disagree. Milroe is now a great college football QB. Great, not good. He makes far fewer mistakes than most college QBs, and makes far more great plays, while now also making most 0-15 yard pass plays look easy.

NFL QBs make more mistakes than Milroe has made this year. But some Alabama fans keep focusing on his mistakes.

This is not last year's Milroe.

💯

 

[spidermayin]

It's simple. I've highlighted the 3 main reasons why we lost the game. The 3rd down efficiency of Vanderbilt kind of relates to time of possession. I was kind of surprised at Vandy's yard per rush number. I only saw highlights of the game and looking at the complaints on the board made it seem like they were running through us like a hot knife through butter. I guess they got the yards right when they needed them though.

 

[B1GTide]

It's simple. I've highlighted the 3 main reasons why we lost the game. The 3rd down efficiency of Vanderbilt kind of relates to time of possession. I was kind of surprised at Vandy's yard per rush number. I only saw highlights of the game and looking at the complaints on the board made it seem like they were running through us like a hot knife through butter. I guess they got the yards right when they needed them though.

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You forgot to highlight penalties, but yeah.

 

[BamaMoon]

And the TOP is not all on the defense either.

At some point, we have to start leaning on the run game more to allow the defense a chance to catch a breather.

We've got 2 stud RBs and they are barely breaking a sweat during most of our games.

 

[gman4tide]

Don't disagree. Just amazed that CKW has never seen that offense before and didn't know how to adjust to it. 🙄

He had tons of game film

 

[gtgilbert]

Yeah, agree to disagree. Milroe is now a great college football QB. Great, not good. He makes far fewer mistakes than most college QBs, and makes far more great plays, while now also making most 0-15 yard pass plays look easy.

NFL QBs make more mistakes than Milroe has made this year. But some Alabama fans keep focusing on his mistakes.

This is not last year's Milroe.

I'm thrilled with his improvement. The progress is very, very impressive; improbable even. The first qtr against UGA he showed some really solid improvement with execution and timing, but since then, he stepped back slightly. It's still an order of magnitude better than last year, but not always quite what it needs to be for these types of routes. We saw him do it against UGA, now he just needs to show he can do it consistently.

That said, most other teams are asking way more from their QBs in the passing game these days. Jalen's quarterback rating is the highest in the SEC, but he's also only attempted 109 passes, which is 8th in the SEC and that would be at least 2-3 spots lower if a few teams had not had split starters (injury or whatever) this year. The coaching staff has done a very good job of kinda limiting the downside risk and attempts which is why we're only 6th in passing offense in the SEC. He offsets some of that gap with his running ability, which thankfully he's been better at leveraging this year.

 

[GrayTide]

I get really tired of so many posters on here always referring to what great talent we have and, should never lose because we have stockpiled so much talent. We have one 5 star who is playing at the 5 star level and he is 17 years old. I am beginning to think that all of the other 4 and 5 stars are too concerned with NIL money and the LANK crap. They have developed a major entitlement attitude, love to show off their dancing moves, and generally are getting whipped by opponents with 2 and 3 stars. Couple this with poor coaching and it is a recipe for what happened Saturday in Nashville and will happen again against more talented teams.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

The Defense didn't do it's job, but I'd like to analyze this a bit deeper...

1. Pick six -- not on the defense
2. Milroe Fumble -- (I think that turned into 3 points -- might have been 7)
3. Two #2s on the punt return -- extended the drive - turned into either 3 or 7 points (again, not sure)

So, anywhere from 13 to 21 points -- that aren't on the defense.

Vandy was predicted to score about 20 points in the game -- so, the math says -- the defense underperformed, but any of those 3 above don't happen, we are complaining, but we aren't jumping off the Tallahachee Bridge...

 

[tusks_n_raider]

It's simple. I've highlighted the 3 main reasons why we lost the game. The 3rd down efficiency of Vanderbilt kind of relates to time of possession. I was kind of surprised at Vandy's yard per rush number. I only saw highlights of the game and looking at the complaints on the board made it seem like they were running through us like a hot knife through butter. I guess they got the yards right when they needed them though.

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I'm glad you posted this because I've meant to bring up the 3rd down and 4th down conversions.

Forgive me if others have already brought this up and I've missed it but I was hoping that UGA converting so many 4th downs the previous game was an anomaly.

UGA was 3 for 15 on 3rd Downs and 5 for 5 on 4th downs (7 for 7 if you count penalties)

Vandy was 12 for 18 on 3rd Down and 1 for 1 on 4th down (I know they had at least one more on that stupid duplicate # penalty.

So basically the last two games we have allowed 15 for 33 3rd down conversions and 6 for 6 4th down conversions (8 for 8 counting penalties though their might have been a few more vs Vandy I can't recall exactly)

That's at least 21-23 times the Defense COULD NOT get the opposing Offense off the field.

What makes it even worse is that most of those situations were 3rd and long or 4th and Medium.

It's a problem... BIG problem.

I read someone on here said that they heard Vandy was running a wasted dummy play on 1st down just to see what we were doing to set up getting a 3rd down conversion.

I don't know if that's true but if it is that is just embarrassing.

Vandy.... VANDERBILT had us so scouted that they could afford to just waste a down and make adjustments off it to pick up conversions.

That is pathetic and very concerning.

 

[Cruiser]

We only ran the ball on back to back plays 5 times vs Vanderbilt. Once was the first 2 plays. Two of the others were for short touchdowns. J&J had 11 carries total for the game.
We have some amazing big play makers; but Bama has as good a tandem of running backs as anybody and an excellent O-line; they need to use them more.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I get really tired of so many posters on here always referring to what great talent we have and, should never lose because we have stockpiled so much talent. We have one 5 star who is playing at the 5 star level and he is 17 years old. I am beginning to think that all of the other 4 and 5 stars are too concerned with NIL money and the LANK crap. They have developed a major entitlement attitude, love to show off their dancing moves, and generally are getting whipped by opponents with 2 and 3 stars. Couple this with poor coaching and it is a recipe for what happened Saturday in Nashville and will happen again against more talented teams.

I think this is the root of the problem, and I've thought so for years now.

We can talk about details, schemes, strategy, etc. But I think the root cause of all of this is entitlement.

We DO have more talent than almost any other program in the country. To be fair, certain spots are young (secondary).

Vanderbilt is the least talented program in the SEC and almost always is. I dare say they will not finish with a winning record this year, even after what they did to us, but certainly won't be better than 7-6 after a possible bowl game. They lost to Georgia State! But what they do have is a hard nosed attitude, hard working, take nothing for granted, and will fight you for 60 minutes.

Alabama does not have this. And we have not had this on a consistent basis since 2020. Oh, if the opponent is right, or if an opponent mouth's off in the week leading up to a game, oh sure we will play with our hair on fire. Otherwise, we are sloppy, lazy, and entitled. I don't know how you fix that in today's environment.

 

[Bama Shoals]

I don't understand the anger toward Saban in this post.

There's no anger towards Saban. I appreciate Coach and his tenure at Alabama. Just get tired of people saying we wouldn't lost a game like this with Saban. Maybe not this particular one, but he lost very similar games where you wondered what his defense was doing against an offense/team that was a subpar or mediocre team at best. For example, a team quarterbacked by Zach Calzada. A Texas A&M team that beat a 4-8 Colorado team 10-7. Colorado gave up 10 points to them! We gave up 41. A Texas A&M team that got beat at home by a Miss. State team (the game before we played them) that went 7-6. Miss. State only gave up 22 points to them! I think the key reason is that Saban never simplified his defense in an era of college football where you don't have players in the system 3 to 5 years for the most part. They could never learn the system it seemed like, so you had defensive players all the time raising their hands at the snap like "what are we doing" right before they got burned for a big play or a score. Vanderbilt runs a difficult offense to defend, especially with this quarterback they have coming off a bye week. Perhaps there were issues coaching the defense up for the scheme just like Saban seemed to struggle with at times in similar situations.

That's where I was coming from.

 

[Windsortide]

Sigh, can we get Saban to come out of retirement to coach this defense?

Pulllllease

 

[Windsortide]

Agree 6 quarters of flagrant incompetency

CKD please take note