Bama Game Thread: Official PostGame Thread - Bama vs. IU...

[crimsonaudio]

His offensive-line was award winning at Washington (Joe Moore award), it is basically what you described.

They ran for 1.7 yards per rush against Michigan and got blown out. Alabama today averaged 1.4 against Indiana and got blown out.

I'm not seeing the difference. Same trends, same struggles against elite defenses, same one dimensional offenses. And no, I certainly was not.

You see a Joe Moore award winning OL the last two years?

CKD inherited an OL built for road-grading and is trying to build an offense around an athletic OL - that will take time.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

I guess I'm being hopefully, but I hope he kind of sees the light and realizes what he can actually do at Alabama is he blends that tough, smash mouthed SEC style football this region can produce, with his offensive innovation. It doesn't have to be either or.

I kind of thought he'd have that moment after the Michigan game, where his team, which had 10 NFL draft picks, and 26 5th and 6th year seniors (so as much experience/talent as you could hope for) still got absolutely physically dominated. And I think that probably was part of why he made the switch, realizing he could have more talent at Alabama.

But there's no corresponding philosophical change! He's treating those big SEC guys like they're still playing on the west coast! And I have to point out, sure it works great sometimes! He's beaten Georgia, twice! But, after another embarrassment may be he finally sees that he can use that Alabama talent, not to try to build a super version of the flawed Washington team, but a different version, one that's bigger tougher, meaner, and stronger. If he makes that shift, I think there's hope that the mentality can come with it.

I don't disagree. I'm hopeful, too.
I was just referring specifically to what his idea of philosophy may be in regards to including toughness etc in it.
The coach has an opportunity to right the ship if he is willing to change some.

 

[gtgilbert]

Keeping in mind that the Saban hold-overs do not fit CKD's OL style.

If Bama had five Parker Brailsford-types on the OL this season I suspect the offense would look VERY different. Bama/DeBoer is still dealing with Saban's return towards five-yards-and-a-billow-of-dust offense...

ok, but CKD brought back Proctor who is not at all a mobile/agile guy. he also brought in Dewberry who is the heaviest IOL played him over guys like Roberts and GVDM who are somewhat smaller and much more agile. Dewberry doesn't have the feet to consistently get to the second level.

It also remains to be seen if a guy like Brailsford is actually successful. I've rewatched many of the games to focus on OL play, and i really don't see him as being that good. While he doesn't outright miss blocks or get blown backwards, he does often not block anyone, and also almost never moves anyone out of the way. He doesn't chip hard enough before moving to the second level, likely due to lack of size/strength, or gets caught on first level and isn't able to move up.

 

[CB4]

Keeping in mind that the Saban hold-overs do not fit CKD's OL style.

If Bama had five Parker Brailsford-types on the OL this season I suspect the offense would look VERY different. Bama/DeBoer is still dealing with Saban's return towards five-yards-and-a-billow-of-dust offense...

CA I will agree with you to a point. And those players may be better fits for other systems. But nonetheless they ARE supposedly highly skilled, highly recruited players.

You have assistant coaches being paid a handsome sum to develop them and “get the best out of what you have”. I haven’t seen that in two years. Certainly you can’t make “a silk purse out of pig’s ear” but the right guy can make a serviceable wallet.

My thought is assistant coaches earn their money not by taking players and making them as good as they “should be”. They earn their keep by taking players and making them better than anyone ever thought they could be. And that includes doing it with players that may not necessarily fit exactly what you want to do.

 

[JDCrimson]

Keeping in mind that the Saban hold-overs do not fit CKD's OL style.

If Bama had five Parker Brailsford-types on the OL this season I suspect the offense would look VERY different. Bama/DeBoer is still dealing with Saban's return towards five-yards-and-a-billow-of-dust offense...

If we had 5 Parker Brailsfords on the line we still wouldn't be able to run the ball on 3/4 and 1...

 

[SMOKIESBAMAFAN]

We had 30yds to Brooks and 37 to Horton against Oklahoma; Germie had 34 today,; at least 10 over 25 yds in last 6 games

Where the hell was Jam Miller and LT Overton?

 

[crimsonaudio]

ok, but CKD brought back Proctor who is not at all a mobile/agile guy. he also brought in Dewberry who is the heaviest IOL played him over guys like Roberts and GVDM who are somewhat smaller and much more agile. Dewberry doesn't have the feet to consistently get to the second level.

It also remains to be seen if a guy like Brailsford is actually successful. I've rewatched many of the games to focus on OL play, and i really don't see him as being that good. While he doesn't outright miss blocks or get blown backwards, he does often not block anyone, and also almost never moves anyone out of the way. He doesn't chip hard enough before moving to the second level, likely due to lack of size/strength, or gets caught on first level and isn't able to move up.

Only time will tell, but anyone who has tried to salvage a business knows there are times you work to retain people who don't fit your long term goals but are your best bet in the short term as you work towards your ultimate goals.

While I'm no football coach, I know how to run successful businesses. IF (all caps IF) this is what CKD is doing I have to trust him and wait to see results in year three or four.

Sometimes you accept a guy who isn't ideal because he's simply better than your other options...

 

[JustNeedMe81]

See post 228

Thank you. If he really said it, then they knew what they were working with for this season.

 

[crimsonaudio]

If we had 5 Parker Brailsfords on the line we still wouldn't be able to run the ball on 3/4 and 1...

That's an assumption.

If we had Indiana's OL back in August I GUARANTEE not one person on this forum would think Bama would be ready to roll.

 

[bamaga]

What sad is Byrne blew this hire so bad. He had the opportunity to hire Kiffin. I don’t care if he introduced himself as Joey Freshwater or how many rich boosters feelings he hurt.

He was the obvious choice even at that time.

But just like the clowns on here blaming Saban for DeBoer’s utter failure, we were too good to hire Kiffin.

Saban being paid as an advisor of the University of Alabama didn’t want Kiffin at Alabama.

But by God he advised him to take the LSU job while an employee of Alabama.

I hope all you guys are happy because I can honestly say you were and still are WRONG.

Roll Tide anyway.

It will be a cold Day in hell before Kiffin coaches at Alabama, and has nothing to do with feelings or ability. Kiffin will be lucky to complete his first contract at LSU. Kiffin is a disaster looking for a place to happen. He just can’t help himself. And I like the guy as a coach.

 

[arthurdawg]

Where the hell was Jam Miller and LT Overton?

Overton had seven tackles and five solo tackles. #2 behind Bray in tackles for us.

Not too shabby for being out for so long.

 

[bamamc1]

Good Lord, Ole Miss. What’s with the obsession with going for it now?

 

[BamaFan6462]

I saw Brailsford getting lit up a few times today. You’re not moving 330 with 285. I’m not sure what the recipe is but we need to figure it out and quickly.

And supposedly he wants smaller offensive line across the board, so get ready for more of what we’ve seen the last two years.

 

[Rocky Mtn Bob]

Indiana just proved that discipline and execution beat 'talent' every time.

I'll get back to this in a few lines.

If Bama had been able / allowed to play to potential the score likely would have been the opposite.

It's rare that you and I do not agree. This is one of those times. (Sadly, we *did* play to potential, IMO.)

But Indiana, despite having lesser talent across the board, out-performed and out-executed Bama all night long.

I think one of Cignetti's super powers is finding under-rated talent. I strongly suspect many of his "3 Stars" were incorrectly evaluated. He figured it out.

Kudos to the Hoosiers for an excellently executed game plan.

Yes. A very well assembled and executed game plan today.

 

[Krymsonman]

Good Lord, Ole Miss. What’s with the obsession with going for it now?

And they tried running up the middle and look what happened.

 

[crimsonaudio]

And supposedly he wants smaller offensive line across the board, so get ready for more of what we’ve seen the last two years.

Were team play so simple as numbers...

 

[bamaga]

Bottom line, we coached scared. Not confident. It was fear that went for it on 4th and 1 at our own 34 on our second possession of the game, down just 3-0. That decision changed the game to me. It instilled the mindset that we had to gamble to win. Dumbest decision I’ve seen an Alabama coach make since Mike Price tempted Destiny.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Results wise, same.

So lay some knowledge on us:
Who are you going to hire? I mean head coach/assistants, etc?
Who?
That would come here..................
Who is available that will do better?
If you have no solutions quit complaining

 

[Bamabuzzard]

His offensive-line was award winning at Washington (Joe Moore award), it is basically what you described.

They ran for 1.7 yards per rush against Michigan and got blown out. Alabama today averaged 1.4 against Indiana and got blown out.

I'm not seeing the difference. Same trends, same struggles against elite defenses, same one dimensional offenses. And no, I certainly was not.

Edit: On a side note, since people (not you) want to point to where Saban's team was at at the time of his departure and the holdovers, against the same Michigan team Alabama averaged 4 yards per rush.

Imo, he is going to have to have a mindset tweak or an outright change. His teams struggle against teams that are "physical". Three of our four losses the other teams was more physical.

When he got blown out by Michigan in the NC game his UW OL got out physically played. Michigan bullied the crap out of them just like happened to us tonight.

 

[jthomas666]

Good Lord, Ole Miss. What’s with the obsession with going for it now?

Given the number of missed tackles in the first half, a certain amount of desperation is understandable.