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[CapstoneTider]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

Joe Pa and Father Sandusky of Penn State.

The closer this gets to Paterno, the worse it will be for him for sure. They guy is now in the weight room recently, bad bad bad.

 

[Crimson Surfer]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

This story just keeps getting more & more amazing..

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports is reporting that Sandusky worked out at the Penn St. weight room facility as recently as last week

Link here

This is bound to affect Coach Paterno in a really bad way. I just don't see him lasting past this year, if that long. This whole story really is unbelievable to me. How could, or did this happen?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577020001842475304.html

Jerry Sandusky, 67 years old, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, the state attorney general's office said.

In addition, Penn State athletic director Tim Curley, 57, and Gary Schultz, 62, the school's vice president for finance and business, have been charged with perjury and failing to report what they knew about the allegations. Mr. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university's police department. They were expected to turn themselves in Monday in Harrisburg.

Mr. Sandusky had long been considered the heir apparent to Joe Paterno, the legendary Penn State coach who has the most victories in major-college football history. Mr. Paterno, 84, wasn't charged, authorities said, and the grand jury report didn't appear to implicate him in wrongdoing. When Mr. Paterno first learned of one report of abuse he immediately reported it to Mr. Curley, prosecutors said. Mr. Sandusky was no longer coaching at the time and it isn't clear whether Mr. Paterno followed up with Mr. Curley.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...ndusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711

No one involved in the tragic handling of the allegations against Sandusky is worthy of sympathy and benefit of doubt without first answering some very direct and serious questions.

Not Paterno. Not Mike McQueary, the graduate assistant-turned-recruiting coordinator who reportedly witnessed Sandusky rape a young boy in the Penn State locker room in 2002. Not Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the former Penn State administrators accused of covering up the 2002 rape. Not Penn State president Graham Spanier. And not anyone involved in the rug-swept 1998 investigation into allegations of sexually criminal behavior against Sandusky that might have played some role in Sandusky’s abrupt 1999 retirement and self-admitted realization he’d never be Paterno’s successor.

Until questions are answered thoroughly and forthrightly, all of these people, including the people rationalizing Paterno’s weak actions upon hearing about the 2002 incident, are guilty of valuing the JoePa myth more than the reality of the vulnerability and preciousness of human life.

Four hundred and nine victories at what cost?

 

[Crimson Surfer]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

JoePa has released this statement:



In the link above, his son Scott expounds on Joe's stance on it.

Turning a blind eye with not get it done, in this case. Paterno is done and he should be, no matter what he or anyone else says. It is what he and others didn't do that will doom him. It certainly appears this very sad and abhorrently criminal situation was allowed to continue by the inactions of Joe Paterno and numerous PSU senior officials.

 

[TexasBama]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

The GA bears as much or more culpability as Paterno. In both their cases, their response was to simply report it to a superior. Let's say this afternoon you witness an armed robbery, would you just be content to only tell your boss?

 

[bamanut_aj]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

So, Joe....did you, or did you not, know that the guy who worked for you, then didn't but still hung around, was having sex with young boys? Never a clue? Really?

I can't even fathom this. PEOPLE KNEW IT. How can you keep a guy around like that? How can you not blow the whistle on this guy and blow this Foundation to pieces? What? "Boys will be boys?", "none of my business?", "who am I to judge?" What?

 

[Ldlane]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

If Joe Pa didn't know, he should've known! Guilty!

 

[Mystical]

Re: Former Penn St. DC arrested for sexual assault of a minor

Afterreading more of the facts if Joe Pa continued a friendship with Sandusky andhad him in his home after the reported incident than I think he should be doneas well. I could defend him if after the incident he had no knowledge ofSandusky's where about but if he knew that Sandusky was still bringing childrenon the campus after this, than shame on him.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

The GA bears as much or more culpability as Paterno. In both their cases, their response was to simply report it to a superior. Let's say this afternoon you witness an armed robbery, would you just be content to only tell your boss?

And Joe Pa is basically saying "I only knew of the one Armed Robbery and told my boss" all the while continuing to socialize with his top coach of 32 years for the next decade or so after his retirement. This is starting to sound like a Diocese scandal meets college football.

 

[Silverback]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

When Paterno realized that no actions were taken he should have immediately went to the police.

 

[Crimson Surfer]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

When Paterno realized that no actions were taken he should have immediately went to the police.

That is exactly what a large majority of the posters on Tide fans would have done and we are not responsible for the PSU football program. Did y'all notice that the GA that witnessed and reported the rape to Paterno is now the PSU recruiting coordinator. Paterno is done in my opinion. I will be surprised if he makes it long enough to finish out this season.

 

[SimplyTide]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

There is a strong possibility that someone that you know is a sexual predator. You have no idea who it is, but someone is. Statistically, it is very improbable that you don't know one. You have probably seen something that might have given this away if you were thinking about the possibility when you saw it, but you weren't. These kinds of people look and act just like you and me, and they learn to hide their activity very well.

Now, to the specifics of this case as we know them right now.

Paterno was told something by a GA about a long time personal friend. He was not given specifics. He interpreted what he was told to be harmless "horsing around", but to be on the safe side, he reported it. Now, everyone here (including me) wants to jump to the conclusion that he should have done more. If he knew that he should report it, it at least deserved a follow-up call to see what came of it. In hindsight, he absolutely should have done more. But, if we accept what he says and consider it from the his perspective, maybe not.

This was a trusted friend and he thought it was just horsing around. There was no direct accusation or suggestion to Paterno that the child was being molested. If we believe him, he did not know - or even suspect, and we might not have known (or suspected) either.

Now, 9 years later, he is told that his lifelong friend is an animal and has been doing this for years. He immediately offers to testify for the prosecution. If he had something to hide, why would he do that? His decision to take the stand will allow the defense attorneys to attack him and his character relentlessly. As has already happened in the press, the focus of this case will be shifted to him. And, if he is lying about what he heard from one of the defendants, or what he did, he is going to be outed in court. We will all know soon enough.

If he, for even one second, thought that this boy was being molested, he had a responsibility to see that the legal authorities were brought in. Only he knows what was going through his mind. But if he didn't suspect anything but horseplay, he is only guilty of having too much trust in a long time friend.

What if someone that you know said something about one of your trusted friends? Something that sounded innocent to you, but turned out to be really bad years later? You might beat yourself up for not having seen it for what it was, but you would be guilty of nothing more than putting your trust in the wrong person. Evil people are deceivers.

I am not proclaiming Paterno to be guilt free. I am just saying that it is possible that he didn't know or even suspect that this was happening. Even so, he should apologize to these boys and their families for not recognizing this monster in his program and step down. What parent would trust their young men to him now?

 

[CapstoneTider]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

That is exactly what a large majority of the posters on Tide fans would have done and we are not responsible for the PSU football program. Did y'all notice that the GA that witnessed and reported the rape to Paterno is now the PSU recruiting coordinator. Paterno is done in my opinion. I will be surprised if he makes it long enough to finish out this season.

After reading the indictment, it is blindingly obvious that everyone had their careers and the program ahead of this horrible act in the shower to that small boy. It seems that everyone, starting with the grad assistant, did just bear minimum of what they had to do to cover themselves from liability of witnessing or knowledge of serious crimes.

2002 his punishment for the shower incident? - shower privileges revoked
2006 when coaches see him touching students and mothers call to report possible criminal activity? Bar him from coming to the school.

Two months ago, free access to Penn State and its facilities.

Joe Paterno is going down 50 to 1.

 

[Rolltide_PA]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

The GA bears as much or more culpability as Paterno. In both their cases, their response was to simply report it to a superior. Let's say this afternoon you witness an armed robbery, would you just be content to only tell your boss?

quite a well written article by a PSU fan blogger. pretty much summarizes all the thoughts and questions and, particularly, the McQueary stuff.

In McQueary, we're talking about a kid that wasn't especially talented but worked really hard and was the starting qb for a Penn State team that at one point was 9-1 and being talked about for a national title his Senior year. I'm sure he respected Sandusky but he would have also known that Jerry was running a center for young boys since he allowed them in PSU practices and facilities. He was 28 when he witnessed the rape or "horsing around" (as Joe put it) and was apparently so distraught and scared that he ran back to his office to call his dad. A 28 year old man is scared? How about the 10 year old he's watching this happen to? Anyway, he's apparently not disgusted enough to resign but instead accepts a promotion from GA to assistant coach and head recruiter and sees Sandusky weekly, if not daily, with young boys for the next 8 years before he's brought in to testify in Dec 2010.

Anyway, a PSU alum wrote this article and he's apparently as confused and disgusted as the rest of us....

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/07/2977299/something-must-be-said.html

 

[TexasBama]

After reading the indictment, it is blindingly obvious that everyone had their careers and the program ahead of this horrible act in the shower to that small boy. It seems that everyone, starting with the grad assistant, did just bear minimum of what they had to do to cover themselves from liability of witnessing or knowledge of serious crimes.

2002 his punishment for the shower incident? - shower privileges revoked
2006 when coaches see him touching students and mothers call to report possible criminal activity? Bar him from coming to the school.

Two months ago, free access to Penn State and its facilities.

Joe Paterno is going down 50 to 1.

What's mind boggling to me that no parents confronted anyone at PSU.

 

[Crimson Surfer]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

After reading the indictment, it is blindingly obvious that everyone had their careers and the program ahead of this horrible act in the shower to that small boy. It seems that everyone, starting with the grad assistant, did just bear minimum of what they had to do to cover themselves from liability of witnessing or knowledge of serious crimes.

2002 his punishment for the shower incident? - shower privileges revoked
2006 when coaches see him touching students and mothers call to report possible criminal activity? Bar him from coming to the school.

Two months ago, free access to Penn State and its facilities.

Joe Paterno is going down 50 to 1.

Reportedly that 'grad assistant' later became and still is the PSU Recruiting Coordinator. I have no idea if that is true or not but if so that alone looks really bad for PSU and Paterno. Its not as if they didn't believe in the word or character of the grad assistant's report if they later hired him as a coach and recruiting coordinator.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

Its not as if they didn't believe in the word or character of the grad assistant's report if they later hired him as a coach and recruiting coordinator.

Good point.

 

[Rolltide_PA]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

Paterno was told something by a GA about a long time personal friend. He was not given specifics. He interpreted what he was told to be harmless "horsing around", but to be on the safe side, he reported it.

I'm with you...sort of

one thing you're missing is the relationship between Joe and that GA who was, in fact, one of joe's all-time favorite players and would later become his head recruiter, WR coach, and QB coach. A kid that came from nothing that earned a shot at that starting QB spot and nearly led to a great season in 1997. He stayed around the program for the next 5 years so was part of Joe and the team for 8 years prior to witnessing the "horsing around" that he never questioned. This is not a janitor knocking on Joe's door to tell tales about his buddy of 30 years but a 28-year old man that Joe admires and entrusts his football program to.

Like I said earlier I'll take Joe at his word for now until the whole business of who knew what and when is complete.

I will restate that it is tremendously difficult to envision a scenario where
1) Joe never asked McQueary what "horsing around" meant (which later is known to be touching and showering with a little boy)
2) Joe, who completely dominates State College, PA let alone PSU never thinks to follow up with a call to the AD asking whatever came of McQueary's alleged witnessing of Sandusky "horsing around" with a kid in the showers

Joe is an ego-maniac that has lived an untouchable existence in a tiny town for many decades. He controls everything that goes on in that university and town and plays second fiddle to no one, certainly not some pesky AD or Senior VP of Finance. While I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now I will not be shocked that Joe lied to protect a trusted friend and then turned his back on a lot of little boys that could have used his help. I'm not saying Joe's all bad....he's put out some spectacular men like Jack Ham and Franco Harris, two of the nicest men you'll ever meet...but I don't see him getting out of this one unscathed.

 

[WMack4Bama]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

And the news has already started to affect the Penn St. football team in a negative way. Check out this exchange on twitter between 5-star prospect Noah Spence who was strongly considering PSU:

@nspence94Noah Spence​

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Um psu might be a no no for me ewwww

@magic_of_macyMacy G​

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@nspence94 your losss..

@nspence94Noah Spence​

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@magic_of_macy i kind of just dnt want to be apart of that

 

[CapstoneTider]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

This picture says it all imo.

 

[SimplyTide]

Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for numerous sexual assaults of minors

And the news has already started to affect the Penn St. football team in a negative way. Check out this exchange on twitter between 5-star prospect Noah Spence who was strongly considering PSU:

I wouldn't let one of my boys play for PSU right now - even if they get rid of Paterno. That program is going to get pretty dark and stay that way for a while - maybe forever.