OK folks, let's discuss Coach Moore
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PlayerUA, that is an outstanding and insightful post. While not a UA insider, I am a career Military Officer and I recognize indecision and lack of discipline when I see it, even from a distance. Hell, I can even smell it. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but love and respect for CMM, but he does not have the business savvy or battlefield smarts to keep BAMA on par with schools like OU. There is no "maintaining". You are either surpassing your opponents or falling behind them. Currently we are falling behind. If anyone feels that we have been "surpassing" in recent history, I would be interested in hearing the reasoning behind those thoughts. I will laugh when I read them, but it will be nonetheless interesting to read them and to see who posts them.
CMM has served UA well, but now it is time to let someone else step forward and be the next hero. ROLL TIDE!
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CMM has served UA well, but now it is time to let someone else step forward and be the next hero. ROLL TIDE!
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ok coach moore is out of here after next year.
we need a competent and proven replacement.
the only name i hear is ozzie. what if ozzie
is not available or just doesn't want the job.
what are our options. i'm a good ol boy, but i still want what is best for the university of alabama. for those in the know,what are are our options if ozzie is not the man......
we need a competent and proven replacement.
the only name i hear is ozzie. what if ozzie
is not available or just doesn't want the job.
what are our options. i'm a good ol boy, but i still want what is best for the university of alabama. for those in the know,what are are our options if ozzie is not the man......
Who cares if Ozzie doesn't have a degree?
Hasn't prevented him from doing a pretty darn good job in Baltimore.
I think Coach Moore has been a pillar for Alabama Atheletics. I also believe in his heart of hearts he did everything to better the university. However, too many things have happened on his watch and however unfair, it is on his head so to speak. Bama needs someone who is able to rally the fan base, someone who's aura exudes confidence, someone who will rule with an iron hand. Bama needs to get back to where it belongs.....someone's been in our seat too long.
Hasn't prevented him from doing a pretty darn good job in Baltimore.
I think Coach Moore has been a pillar for Alabama Atheletics. I also believe in his heart of hearts he did everything to better the university. However, too many things have happened on his watch and however unfair, it is on his head so to speak. Bama needs someone who is able to rally the fan base, someone who's aura exudes confidence, someone who will rule with an iron hand. Bama needs to get back to where it belongs.....someone's been in our seat too long.
I am almost certain Ozzie has a degree. I don't recall what it is in. What I don't recall is whether or noth Ozzie has a Masters Degree which I believe is a requirement to be hired as AD.
Wow PlayerUA, quit beating around the bush and tell us what you really think!! Great Post, and it's always insightful to get it from those who really know, rather than those of us who sit on the outside looking in. Like many, I see the fund raising efforts and new projects and think, well he must be doing a pretty good job.
Leadership and organization start at the top. Lack of leadership is contagious and leads to lack of effort, committment and caring. The many failures in professionalism cited by PlayerUA are indictative of an institution steering out of control. The buck has to stop somewhere, and it's always at the top.
Time for CMM to be given one of those positions that allows for lots of golf and social activities while raising money.
Leadership and organization start at the top. Lack of leadership is contagious and leads to lack of effort, committment and caring. The many failures in professionalism cited by PlayerUA are indictative of an institution steering out of control. The buck has to stop somewhere, and it's always at the top.
Time for CMM to be given one of those positions that allows for lots of golf and social activities while raising money.
this whole degree thing is kind of silly. ozzie newsome is one of the most repected GM's in the league. him not having a masters degree or bach degree for that matter should NOT be an issue. he's proved himself. ask any owner in the NFL. they'd take ozzie in a heartbeat.
it's all about who he surrounds himself with. that's the way it is in EVERY business. it's obvious there's been "deadwood" in the athletic department for a long time. he's just chosen NOT to get rid of it.
oh, and i definitely agree with the post about raising money. UA should sell itself with our HUGE fan base. he shouldn't hang his hat on that. it took a LONG time to raise it. while other schools raised more in way less time.
mal moore loves UA. that's a given. it's just that the negatives outweigh the positives in his tenure. some not his doing some could have been avoided.
we need new blood to run our ship. there's a lot of good things going on with the university, let's kick it up a notch or two.
RTR!
I believe state law requires the AD to have a graduate degree.
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A master's degree is required for the job....whatever happened to hiring the best person for the job?
Can the master's degree thing...like was stated above, Ozzie is a wanted commodity in the NFL. Bama would be foolish IF the position ever came open. JMO.
Can the master's degree thing...like was stated above, Ozzie is a wanted commodity in the NFL. Bama would be foolish IF the position ever came open. JMO.
Well, as someone that is on the outside trying to figure things, I think PlayerUA just documented some of our thoughts. Lately, (since Fran dipped) I've been feeling that CMM was not the real reason Bama was reeling. Maybe CMM was kept on board, because he was the right man to raise that $100 million.
Just the other week I was back bashing Moore for the Shula/Croom/Award deal. Then I find out, that apparently he had no knowledge of it.
I still remember before Shula was hired, how the media covered the story. Atleast three times that week Shula's face appeared on the front page. During that time, many thought it was a close race between the two. I don't know HOW, because the media had all but sealed the deal. SOMEONE at Bama had to give the media that impression!
I hope President Witt can continue his work at the university. He has seemed to do what is right and do so with his chin up. I just hope he doesn't get knocked out due to it.
BTW, who is for certain that Ozzie wants to be AD? I would also think that being AB and what Ozzie is, as two different things. Ozzie will no doubt have lesser powers at Bama. I hope he is looked at, but he isn't far from retirement himself. The school should look far and wide and find someone that is a true leader.
I'm not saying CMM is not a true leader, but it's time for Bama move on. For too long now the talk has been about off the field issues at that campus. It has to start at the head, and if CMM is not the head....
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Just the other week I was back bashing Moore for the Shula/Croom/Award deal. Then I find out, that apparently he had no knowledge of it.
I still remember before Shula was hired, how the media covered the story. Atleast three times that week Shula's face appeared on the front page. During that time, many thought it was a close race between the two. I don't know HOW, because the media had all but sealed the deal. SOMEONE at Bama had to give the media that impression!
I hope President Witt can continue his work at the university. He has seemed to do what is right and do so with his chin up. I just hope he doesn't get knocked out due to it.
BTW, who is for certain that Ozzie wants to be AD? I would also think that being AB and what Ozzie is, as two different things. Ozzie will no doubt have lesser powers at Bama. I hope he is looked at, but he isn't far from retirement himself. The school should look far and wide and find someone that is a true leader.
I'm not saying CMM is not a true leader, but it's time for Bama move on. For too long now the talk has been about off the field issues at that campus. It has to start at the head, and if CMM is not the head....
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Some great, insightful posts here... with Players being top of the list. It caused me to wonder, think, about politics. Something I havent really thought about before, concerning Bama anyway. Now I'm wondering if Tuscaloosa isnt Montgomery, only twice removed? The old saying money talks, **** walks, seems to hold true in most aspects of life. Money rules the world. I just didnt relate it to the AD. I know everyone has a boss.... and CMMs should be the President of the University.... not the same people that seem to continually get us on probation. But the same people that contributed on that 100 mill, have a say so to what goes on... thus thinking CMMs hands are tied. Kinda hard to make any firm decisions or take a bold stand when youre just a PR guy. It wouldnt make alot of difference who the AD is. CMM will retire one day and I hope we get the best qualified for the job and not another race issue if Ozzie dont get it. We dont need another blackeye.
CMM has done and outstanding job. He has certainly tried his best in every aspect. Sadly, sometimes your best is not good enough.
I am not one to scream for his termination or anything of the sort, but my evaluation of his performance is less than stellar in terms of football. Basketball, Baseball, and Gymnastics (to name a few) have blossomed under his watch.
The man will be retiring soon, and he should be able to do so with grace and respect.
I commend CMM, and as a taxpayer, supporter, and fan, it is my right and duty to evaluate his performance. Oh, and Tommy, does building 2 $100+ million dollar companies from the ground up count? LOL, you can never be sure who you are typing to on here can you?
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I am not one to scream for his termination or anything of the sort, but my evaluation of his performance is less than stellar in terms of football. Basketball, Baseball, and Gymnastics (to name a few) have blossomed under his watch.
The man will be retiring soon, and he should be able to do so with grace and respect.
I commend CMM, and as a taxpayer, supporter, and fan, it is my right and duty to evaluate his performance. Oh, and Tommy, does building 2 $100+ million dollar companies from the ground up count? LOL, you can never be sure who you are typing to on here can you?
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Noooow Tommy ! You know they're qualified because they say they are. No one would post anything here that wasn't the full gospel, so don't even think there might be ulterior motives or personal grudges involved. You just know that couldn't be...
After reading PlayerUA's post, I'm convinced even more that MM needs to be replaced. MM is paid too much $ to not be held accountable for the problems our athletic department has endured over the past 5 years. Because of MM's history and ties to our program, it will be difficult to have him replaced. Our athletic department is in a situation where a consultant or 3rd party needs to come in and make some very unpopular and tough decisions, or, better yet, MM could make these tough decisions, but do any of us think he ever will? Probably not, so it's time to hand over the AD position to some "new blood". Ozzie sounds like a good choice, but will he want to leave the NFL for college? I'm not sure. I do believe we need someone with a proven track record in managing multi-million dollar budgets.
Some lessons are hard to learn.
Back in late 60's, lots of folks were suggesting that maybe the game had passed Coach Bryant by and it was time to replace him. Thank God that didn't happen or we would've missed the greatest decade of ALABAMA football.
On a more recent note, Mike Dubose got the HC job by popular acclaim and a massive fax campaign from a bunch of folks that thought they could pick a football coach.
Sorry if I stepped on a few toes, but I've never cared much for lynch mobs.
Back in late 60's, lots of folks were suggesting that maybe the game had passed Coach Bryant by and it was time to replace him. Thank God that didn't happen or we would've missed the greatest decade of ALABAMA football.
On a more recent note, Mike Dubose got the HC job by popular acclaim and a massive fax campaign from a bunch of folks that thought they could pick a football coach.
Sorry if I stepped on a few toes, but I've never cared much for lynch mobs.
Reminds me of the old saying, "be careful what you ask for, you might get it."
I hope Mal will retire on his own terms, and when he chooses. He deserves nothing less.
The symptoms listed by PlayerUA in his post should be a clear signal of the mal-ady affecting the athletic department. We're not talking about just the big things here, but the little things. The things that are not hard to take care, but do require the constant attention of management. You can say that there were many actions that were not in the control of the AD such as coaching selections etc., but the things mentioned by PlayerUA are not only in his control, but are his responsibility. It's those things that insiders like PlayerUA and even Finebaum are aware of that those of us on the outside never get to see.
If you can't handle the little things, like attending meetings and treating clients with respect, then the big things are not being handled properly either.
And we don't need that attitude of you can't criticize him because you haven't accomplished as much as he has. Anyone who occupies public positions, whether they be coaches, Presidents, or ADs know that the bright light of public attention is on them, and because of that they should excel. If they don't, then they deserve the negative as much as the positive.
If you can't handle the little things, like attending meetings and treating clients with respect, then the big things are not being handled properly either.
And we don't need that attitude of you can't criticize him because you haven't accomplished as much as he has. Anyone who occupies public positions, whether they be coaches, Presidents, or ADs know that the bright light of public attention is on them, and because of that they should excel. If they don't, then they deserve the negative as much as the positive.
You are right!! I don't know you. That's my point. In the anonimity of this board, you can say and be anything you wish. You may be all you claim to be. But when you cite accomplishments to make someone else look bad, you sound like a politician and make your motives suspect. I'm not going to form or change my opinion of someone based on an anonymous poster's comments.
My mother told me many years ago, "You never make yourself look good by trying to make someone else look bad."
And by-the-way , I didn't name anyone in my post, sooooo.......
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