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deliveryman35 said:
Agreed, this will be a rare OU/Bama recruiting battle.

I would LOVE to have him, but I'd give a slight edge to OU, where he has visited multiple times also. Their O is more pass-happy and will give him a big platform to show his passing skills, here he'll be handing the ball off 50 % of the time two yds deep to a power RB and being primarily a game manager. I think it also depends on his top priorities and personal goals--I think he'd have a better chance to win NC's at the collegiate level with us, but if a huge NFL contract is his main objective, then I see him following Sam Bradford and going to Norman.
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i dont think you can pigeon hole every bama qb into being a game manager... just because you run a pro style offense and hand the ball off doesn't mean you can't put up great passing numbers. Look at USC under caroll, or Peyton Manning in Indy, or Matt Ryan in Atlanta, or tom brady in New England

In fact i think that its a bit uninformed to assume every qb in a run first offense is a game manager. The NFL is run first (among perennially good teams), and actively looks for play making, stretch the field type Qb's... thats the basis of the pro-set. Run, run, play- action deep, run, screen run, play action deep. thats the way this offense works. we just havent had the QB under Saban to do it yet.
 
Tide Warrior said:
I have read that he will make his decision next month.
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He is suppose to and the only summer visit he has so far is a camp visit to where else BAMA. 247 site guys relaying its a two horse race between us and OU. Also its been stated that he likes the pro style and our ability to get you to the next level. Also if we get his commitment in the early summer it will help with DGB even though i believe we lead for him already but another BAMA OU battle with MIzzou in it. Also as i stated in another thread i believe that if he commits it will not affect how we are recruiting Winston. Because we want two elite Qb's. And winston has stated he isn't afraid of competition and anywhere you go you will have competition. And before someone says two elite Qb's don't go to the same school i direct you to UGA a few years ago with Murry and Mettinberg(i know i misspelled it). Also the same with the top Wr's happened two years ago at USCW with Woods,prater, and ambles.
 
cmmiller711 said:
In fact i think that its a bit uninformed to assume every qb in a run first offense is a game manager. The NFL is run first (among perennially good teams), and actively looks for play making, stretch the field type Qb's... thats the basis of the pro-set.
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It is very, very hard to say that the NFL is run first, especially amongst good teams.

That said, for the college game, absolutely everything you said is true.
 
According to TI, a source close to Kiel's recruitment said that a decision could come within the next few weeks. That same source believes we are the favorite. I know this has already been said, but I just wanted to add to what some of us have been speculating.
 
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So far, I'm not sold on us being the frontrunner for Kiel, but I will predict this--whoever gets him will also get the Beckham kid out of Missouri. It's great to be in the running for these guys, and we definitely have a chance.
 
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bamaslaw said:
It is very, very hard to say that the NFL is run first, especially amongst good teams.

That said, for the college game, absolutely everything you said is true.
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just because you throw more than 20-25 times a game, doesn't make you a "pass first" offense. what makes you a pass first offense is if you pass to set up the run i.e. the New orleans saints, or Texas tech under mike leach. what makes you a "run-first" team is if you run 20-30 times a game to set up play-action. i.e. the steelers 3 years ago, or new england every year but the undefeated year.

I think perennially good teams in the NFL ARE generally run first, however they also usually have good QB's .. So thats what the media talks about. THe Colts at the top of their game ran the stretch better than any team in football. Then Peyton pulled the ball out to throw. Same thing with almost every other team that is good more often than not. The steelers, Ravens, and patriots are ALL known for being physical conservative offenses (except for NE in 2008, and Pittsburgh this year) and they've combined to win 6 of the last 10 super bowls.

so, no, it isn't hard to say that perennially good teams are "run-first" offenses in the NFL. they just all happen to have good QB's to run play action.
 
That would be amazing if we could land Kiel, DGB and Winston all together but sounds very tough to do. I think we've got a very good shot at all 3 of them and have heard good things in the Kiel department. Hope we heard some good news in a month
 
Was reading on another site about Kiel at the Elite 11 camp and he was hands down the best QB there. Would love to sign him and hope he does verbal. Could have a snow ball effect in attracting some elite WRs such as DGB and Duron Neal.
 
DurdenTider said:
That would be amazing if we could land Kiel, DGB and Winston all together but sounds very tough to do. I think we've got a very good shot at all 3 of them and have heard good things in the Kiel department. Hope we heard some good news in a month
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I agree. Even though Winston says he's not afraid of competition, I have a hard time believing he will come here if we get a commitment from Kiel. Who knows though? But anyway, I feel we have a very good shot with Kiel, and I'll looking forward to his decision.
 
Braveheart said:
Was reading on another site about Kiel at the Elite 11 camp and he was hands down the best QB there. Would love to sign him and hope he does verbal. Could have a snow ball effect in attracting some elite WRs such as DGB and Duron Neal.
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That's interesting because crimson confidential(espn) has an article stating that Winston was hands down the best and it was not even.
 
hddd said:
latest update on him
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I saw something on TideSports about a recent visit to Bama, but I couldn't read it. I'm sure it went well. He comes down here a lot for how far away he is which is definitely a good thing. Some people seem to think we're in the driver's seat. But like JulioPigtails said, he doesn't speak to the media that much and has not named a leader.
 
I saw something on TideSports about a recent visit to Bama, but I couldn't read
it. I'm sure it went well. He comes down here a lot for how far away he is which
is definitely a good thing.
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it went very well. he and his mom just wanted to check out the academics. the mother loves the atmosphere of Ttown and the campus. :)
 
To be honest the interview sounded at lot like they just wanted to tie up some loose ends and the decision has already been made. Just a guess, could be off base.

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