Question: QB Heisman?

N AL Tider

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I was watching College Football Live yesterday and they had "Top 6 QB Heisman" hopefulls. They were Case Keenum-Hou, Kellen Moore-Boise, T. Pryor-OSU, J. Locker-Was, A. Luck-Stan, and Arky's-R. Mallett. After they went over these six, they had another list of 6-7 hopefulls.

Now I am know GMac's stats dont "WOW" you as a Heisman, but I was thinking...IF/WHEN we go back-to-back undefeated National Champions, do you think he should get some H-man talk?

Not trying to sound like a "homer" but thats pretty impressive and I think it should have some consideration.
 

ElkhartTider

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I was watching College Football Live yesterday and they had "Top 6 QB Heisman" hopefulls. They were Case Keenum-Hou, Kellen Moore-Boise, T. Pryor-OSU, J. Locker-Was, A. Luck-Stan, and Arky's-R. Mallett. After they went over these six, they had another list of 6-7 hopefulls.

Now I am know GMac's stats dont "WOW" you as a Heisman, but I was thinking...IF/WHEN we go back-to-back undefeated National Champions, do you think he should get some H-man talk?

Not trying to sound like a "homer" but thats pretty impressive and I think it should have some consideration.
Well considering the Heisman has turned into a popularity contest on the best team... you'd think he would get some consideration... but like you said his stats aren't and won't be good enough. God forbid our two All-American RB's get hurt maybe we'll turn Greg loose through the air lol.. but we're too good on the ground for him to even have the chance to put up big #'s....
 

ALA2262

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When they go to NY, GMAC will be 26-0 as the starting QB for the previous NC winner and the current #1 team in the nation. I would think he would be there.
 

N AL Tider

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I agree


his stats aren't and won't be good enough.
But what about his win record stat? What if finishes his college career with a 28-0 record...well it would be 27-0 when the H-man voting comes along.

I know my question is coming from a differenct perspective of what the H-man is all about, but I feel with a college career of 28-0 that there should give the voters something to think about.
 

ElkhartTider

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I agree




But what about his win record stat? What if finishes his college career with a 28-0 record...well it would be 27-0 when the H-man voting comes along.

I know my question is coming from a differenct perspective of what the H-man is all about, but I feel with a college career of 28-0 that there should give the voters something to think about.
I agree with you too... has a college QB ever went undefeated through his career??? Doubt it..
 

CrimsonChuck

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I was watching College Football Live yesterday and they had "Top 6 QB Heisman" hopefulls. They were Case Keenum-Hou, Kellen Moore-Boise, T. Pryor-OSU, J. Locker-Was, A. Luck-Stan, and Arky's-R. Mallett. After they went over these six, they had another list of 6-7 hopefulls.
I don't think that Mallet belongs on that list. He might have the best arm in college football, but he makes poor decisions. He misses open WRs all the time...a lot more than a "Heisman Hopeful" should.
 

bamanut_aj

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Don't sweat it....the preseason "Heisman Hopeful" list and the actual list of those in the running come football season are usually different.
 

REBELZED

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Don't sweat it....the preseason "Heisman Hopeful" list and the actual list of those in the running come football season are usually different.
In the same vein, how many people had Ingram on their list at the beginning of last season?
 

bayoutider

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When they go to NY, GMAC will be 26-0 as the starting QB for the previous NC winner and the current #1 team in the nation. I would think he would be there.
It would more likely be someone like Mark Ingram in NY to receive his second Heisman than GM getting his first. I would be very happy, and so would GM, if he won the O'Brien award.
 

RKel32

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I think the QB record being an indicator of Heisman consideration is completely overblown. Consider that MI will have the same record over the past 2 seasons and I don't think any of us would argue the fact that he produced more offense. I know it's a team game and we don't want to replace either of them, but if our running game is the focus of our offense, that's what will get the notoriety from winning championships. I just don't see GMac putting up the numbers needed to win the Heisman within our offense. MI proved that a running back can.
 

NYBamaFan

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It would more likely be someone like Mark Ingram in NY to receive his second Heisman than GM getting his first. I would be very happy, and so would GM, if he won the O'Brien award.
Agreed - I don't have a single bad thing to say about GMac, but he is probably at least a few spots down the list of best players at Bama right now. Unless something really changes next season, I don't expect his name to be among those buzzed about. But I could definitely see Ingram in NYC again.
 

GrayTide

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Greg is a good QB on a great team, much like Pat Trammell, Steve Sloan, Jay Barker. Terry Davis, and the Rutledge boys. Heisman, not gonna happen for Greg.
 

Robzilla

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I'm glad to have GMac on our team but he is not yet a Heisman contender. He is, however, a winner and I'll take that any day over a Heisman trophy.
 

RammerJammer14

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I was watching College Football Live yesterday and they had "Top 6 QB Heisman" hopefulls. They were Case Keenum-Hou, Kellen Moore-Boise, T. Pryor-OSU, J. Locker-Was, A. Luck-Stan, and Arky's-R. Mallett. After they went over these six, they had another list of 6-7 hopefulls.

Now I am know GMac's stats dont "WOW" you as a Heisman, but I was thinking...IF/WHEN we go back-to-back undefeated National Champions, do you think he should get some H-man talk?

Not trying to sound like a "homer" but thats pretty impressive and I think it should have some consideration.
No I don't think he should get any serious H-man talk. I Look at McElroy in the same way as Jay Barker (came in 5th, right?). Dude can win, but he doesn't have the glamor and stats to win the Heisman.

Frankly, none of those QBs impress me very much. Luck, Pryor, and Locker are the only ones who are not system QBs. I think it will go to a back again this year, although maybe the Boise QB will get as a consolation prize.
 

BamaJeff

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I agree




But what about his win record stat? What if finishes his college career with a 28-0 record...well it would be 27-0 when the H-man voting comes along.

I know my question is coming from a differenct perspective of what the H-man is all about, but I feel with a college career of 28-0 that there should give the voters something to think about.
If the Heisman were a lifetime achievement award, I guess McElroy would be the front runner. But it's about a single season performance.
 

UAstudent2012

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I really doubt it he would have to put up some killer numbers. He threw for close to 2,500 yards last year even with the 4 game skid. If the recievers perform who knows he could push 3,000. With Ingram, Richardson, and Lacey I just do not see that happening. We are too good on offense for one player to be a star I think, who knows though. I would love the to see a second Heisman winner, I would rather see a National Title though.
 

Hal Bennett

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Didn't check for accuracy but Bleacher Report recently had an article that identified two such quarterbacks: James Harris, 1950's Oklahoma and Chuck Ealey, 1970's Toledo.
I was going to say that since Oklahoma won 48 straight games under Bud Wilkinson in the early fifties, perhaps the Oklahoma quarterback went undefeated. That would be a feat, wouldn't it, for McElroy to go through his whole college career without a loss.

I had forgotten the name Jim Harris. The backs on that Oklahoma team were Clendon Thomas, rhb, Bill Krisher, fb, and Tommy McDonald, lhb. They ran a double-option system, the same thing that Darrell Royal had run when he was Wilkinson's QB at Oklahoma, most probably. Royal ultimately took that double option system with him from Miss State to Washington, to Texas -- and then his assistant at Texas, Emory Bellard, developed the triple option (Wishbone) out of the double option. In those option-type systems, the QB was a offense-manager, for the most part, not a dropback style QB. Therefore he did not figure in when it came time to vote for the Heisman. Harris was never a big Heisman candidate at all, I don't think.

You know, I have seen where McElroy went through some doubts, etc., about his leadership ability last year. Whan I read that, I was surprised. Just to look at him I would have thought he just took it all in stride. There is really something special about his QB-ing last year. When he had to step up against Auburn and Florida, he did it -- reached down, as they say, and pulled up something to win the Auburn game. Admirable.

It just seems to me like Saban, once the season is in full swing, will revert to the thing that has won for him at both LSU and Alabama, and that has usually been a running game with two backs alternating and the quarterback being mostly a game manager who occasionally throws to loosen ujp the defense. As long as the defense knows there is a Julio out there, especially if he is healthy, they are not going to stack the line. As soon as they come up to stop Ingram or Richardson, McElroy will be throwing it. But that probably will be relatively seldom. No Heisman, but as the guy says, I'll take another national championship any day over another Heisman. If you win that NC, then somebody on this team is going to be looked at for the Heisman. Probably one or both of the running backs.

If it had been up to me, I might have given the Heisman to Julio last year, for all that blocking he did for Ingram and Richardson. With Carpenter, Johnson, Julio, and Smelley, etc., out there on the left, Ingram and Richardson went through and around opposing defenses like the 8 o'clock train.

I tell you somebody McElroy sort of reminds me of. I think it was 1957 when Pete Dawkins, the Army running back, won the Heisman. Dawkins, the lhb, was a Rhodes Scholar -- went to study at Oxford after college football, became a general in Viet Nam. The other big Army running back in that same backfield, Bob Anderson, had gotten all the ink and was expected to win the Heisman in '57. Out of nowhere, Dawkins won it. Another player on those Red Blaik Army teams was "The Lonesome End," Bill Carpenter. These were all disciplined players, like McElroy. Carpenter never came to the huddle, thus the title, "Lonesome End."
 

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