Red zone scoring by our receivers.

[crimson fan man]

I don't know where I read this but it might have been on this site. The problem with red zone scoring by our receivers was the routes that they ran. I am no expert on this subject but is it up to the receivers to get open or is it just bad coaching? I know it is more crowded in the zone but I also have seen many other teams score with their receivers in the zone.:conf2:

 

[SoldierForTide]

I don't know where I read this but it might have been on this site. The problem with red zone scoring by our receivers was the routes that they ran. I am no expert on this subject but is it up to the receivers to get open or is it just bad coaching? I know it is more crowded in the zone but I also have seen many other teams score with their receivers in the zone.:conf2:

Well of course it's coaching, who do you think was telling them to run those routes? Our red zone playcalling was like a 10 year old Madden player: up the middle, up the middle, play-action for sack/up the middle, missed field goal.

Not to mention that when the TE was put into motion, the D could guess 90% of the time where we were going to run it up the middle.

 

[briancm]

Well of course it's coaching, who do you think was telling them to run those routes? Our red zone playcalling was like a 10 year old Madden player: up the middle, up the middle, play-action for sack/up the middle, missed field goal.

Not to mention that when the TE was put into motion, the D could guess 90% of the time where we were going to run it up the middle.

ROFLMAO!

Post of the day!

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Doesn't help when your OL is taught which stance to assume for pass plays and which to use for runs...

 

[bamacrewdog3]

yes it all hade to do with coaches but we dont have that problem no more and hope that we use the tightends more

 

[BamaFanOnBeach]

I have read many opinions on this on the different websites and I think there are many factors that caused the poor red zone play including play calling, offensive line coaching, qb not reading defenses, not passing crisp enough, and not looking to 2nd or 3rd options quick enough, and recievers not getting enough seperation.

What worries me is that the offensive team still struggled in the red zone during the A-day game.

I do think we will be improved this fall in all categories - I just don't know if we will improve enough by the Georgia and FSU games. Settling for field goals in the big games will not result in W's!

 

[LCN]

I have read many opinions on this on the different websites and I think there are many factors that caused the poor red zone play including play calling, offensive line coaching, qb not reading defenses, not passing crisp enough, and not looking to 2nd or 3rd options quick enough, and recievers not getting enough seperation.

What worries me is that the offensive team still struggled in the red zone during the A-day game.

I do think we will be improved this fall in all categories - I just don't know if we will improve enough by the Georgia and FSU games. Settling for field goals in the big games will not result in W's!

We did ?

IMO , it's not a red-zone thing . It's a 1 or 2 yard thing . We were doomed on 3rd & 2 and the following 4th & 2 or 4th & 1 from any area . It's just that the odds dictate the majority of those occur in the red-zone . JOMO . :cool2:

 

[BEATtutorsee]

I don't remember us "struggling" in the red zone during A-day either LCN, and what Earle said has as much to do with it as anything if not more. When the other team basically knows what's coming just by looking at how you line up......well let's just say your play doesn't stand much of a chance of succeeding. It's just like that scene from "The Waterboy."

 

[LCN]

I don't remember us "struggling" in the red zone during A-day either LCN, and what Earle said has as much to do with it as anything if not more. When the other team basically knows what's coming just by looking at how you line up......well let's just say your play doesn't stand much of a chance of succeeding. It's just like that scene from "The Waterboy."

Thanks for the seconding . I was about to break the tape out after the All-Star game ends . Heck , I may watch it anyway . I could use a quick fix .

 

[SimCastilleFan3]

Thanks for the seconding . I was about to break the tape out after the All-Star game ends . Heck , I may watch it anyway . I could use a quick fix .

Im with you to LCN!!! It was just bad coaching and techniques given to the players. The plays we ran in the red zone looked all the same and took to long to develop the past couple of seasons.

 

[Pachyderm37]

We were doomed in the red zonedue to coaching. From week to week we ran the same two or three plays in the red zone, particularly if we were inside the ten. Every team we played week in and week out knew absolutely what we were going to run and where and we got shut down.

As for the a-day game, I didn't get to see it but just taking a wild guess, it may not have been that our offense was struggling per say but that our defense is better than what most people think.

I think that once we get that WCU game out of the way we will do better. I really think we will se improvement made every week under CNS.


:BigA:RTR

 

[BamaFanOnBeach]

Rewatch the a-day game and you will see what I'm talking about, especially with the first team offense. I'm not saying it was as bad as last year, too hard to tell in the time format used for the a-day game without them stopping the clock, but they still seemed to move the ball almost effortlessly until they got deep - just count the drives vs. field goal tries. If I remember right, Christension missed his first one too.

The second time I watched it I started noticing a lot of similarities to last year. Not knocking coach saban, I just don't think he's had time to coach out all of the bad habits and "personality" of the "Shula team". And I definately think he will given enough time.

I think we will see a different team against Western Carolina and I think the team will be more evolved by the time we play the barn! I'm just worried about the 3 game stretch ark, ga, and fsu.

 

[moorav]

makes you wonder how we had the lead at some point in almost every game

I think it was the total package that was lacking from the players performance to the coaching in regards to scoring more points.

Don't freak out

 

[yellowhammer13]

I don't remember us "struggling" in the red zone during A-day either LCN, and what Earle said has as much to do with it as anything if not more. When the other team basically knows what's coming just by looking at how you line up......well let's just say your play doesn't stand much of a chance of succeeding. It's just like that scene from "The Waterboy."

BINGO!!!!

 

[BamaFanOnBeach]

I looked at the stats from the A-day so I wanted to correct myself:

technically, we only got in the red zone 3 times during the a-day game. White team twice- one 5 yard td and a 19 yard fg (from 9 yard line). Crimson got into redzone once for a 17 yard td.

What I was referring to about "struggling" deep is:
*52 yard drive to 28 yard line resulting in a punt after a sack
*55 yard drive to 25 yard line resulting in a missed FG
*46 yard drive to 24 yard line resulting in a good FG
*47 yard drive to 23 yard line resulting in a good FG
*32 yard drive to 28 yard line resulting in a good FG
*80 yard drive to 9 yard line resulting in a good FG

I got a little concerned after realizing we got inside the 30 yard line 9 times but only managed 3 TD's and didn't score twice...

Again, I think Saban and the team will work it out - I just haven't seen proof that we are there yet and it may still be a problem early...

I'm trying to be realistic....

 

[graydogg85]

From what I understand, our struggles with red-zone scoring the past few seasons were directly coorelated to the rampant poor conditioning on the offensive line. We could not generate enough of a forward surge on the line to run the ball effectively. Utterly predictable and conservative playcalling inside the 20 made matters worse. There are plenty of teams who line up inside the 10 yard line, run the ball up the middle, and score fairly consistently - they just have the strength to dictate that sort of approach. If you're weak on the line, you've got to be more inventive to score inside the red zone, and for the most part we never were.

Just a side observation, but I've noticed that in the SEC, the teams that are very effective inside the red zone are the ones who really get creative with the passing game. They get the tight ends involved, they use all sorts of misdirection, they even try the occassional halfback or receiver pass. With the speed and athleticism found on most SEC defensive fronts, I think you almost have to adopt this sort of approach to be successful inside the zone. JMO. RTR.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

The play-calling process proceeded much the same as it did under Dubose. When our "brain trust" couldn't settle on something deceptive (and we practiced that a lot), it defaulted back to "jumbo."

 

[Probius]

From what I understand, our struggles with red-zone scoring the past few seasons were directly coorelated to the rampant poor conditioning on the offensive line. We could not generate enough of a forward surge on the line to run the ball effectively. Utterly predictable and conservative playcalling inside the 20 made matters worse. There are plenty of teams who line up inside the 10 yard line, run the ball up the middle, and score fairly consistently - they just have the strength to dictate that sort of approach. If you're weak on the line, you've got to be more inventive to score inside the red zone, and for the most part we never were.

Just a side observation, but I've noticed that in the SEC, the teams that are very effective inside the red zone are the ones who really get creative with the passing game. They get the tight ends involved, they use all sorts of misdirection, they even try the occassional halfback or receiver pass. With the speed and athleticism found on most SEC defensive fronts, I think you almost have to adopt this sort of approach to be successful inside the zone. JMO. RTR.

I absolutely agree our biggest problem in the red zone was that our O-Line was getting knocked off the ball. There were many times last season when Darby would take the hand off and run into defenders 2 or 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. It would have taken Superman to score with that lack of push up front.

 

[moorav]

>I'm trying to be realistic....

I do not like being realistic but looking at the Sept schedule we could have a tough season this year. Sept is killer and some more tough ones later on. I am starting to think it will be disappointing this year - next year a lot of these games are going to be away games which will be even tougher.

I am very concerned that a 4 or 5 loss season is probable - Hope I am wrong and will probably change my mind when kickoff gets here

 

[BamaMoon]

No offensive genius here, but one practical observation about goal-line offense, especially passing: If the QB makes a three step drop and has to wait for a play to develop, there's little change it will. Defenses are just two fast and, in years past, our O-line was just too weak to provide for than 2-3 seconds of protection.

IMO, the key to goal line passing is quick developing routes and deliveries. If a play is to take longer, it must involve better protection or a roll out or some version of pick-play which frees up a receiver in space.